Mohd Ahsan / Hendra Setiawan

Anyone have an analysis why their attacking play seems to be effective against yuta/endo ? I mean they're not really the hardest hitter out there, and hendra barely jump when he's smashing...:D
 
Yes, this is very interesting. Ahsan/Setiawan consistently beats Watanabe/Endo while the latter consistently beats the Minions, who consistently beats Ahsan/Setiawan.

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MezzL said:
Anyone have an analysis why their attacking play seems to be effective against yuta/endo ? I mean they're not really the hardest hitter out there, and hendra barely jump when he's smashing...:D
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Hasn’t this been discussed prior? The crux is in their patience, Yuta/Endo can get a lot of their shots back as well, but when Yuta/Endo manage to pull off a great defensive shot they are willing to start from square one again, unlike Kevin/Marcus who force the issue and in the process sacrifice their positioning because they’re not willing to “give up that opportunity when they were so close” (a bit of sunk cost fallacy).

I think steepness of shot makes Endo/Watanabe’s defensive work difficult, not really power. If you notice, Ahsan’s full power smashes don’t work very well at all if the Japanese are well positioned. Which is why he accepts that liability and is content to drop shot until he finds an opportunity. Hendra on the other hand has the natural height, his shots have natural steepness that give the Japanese some discomfort.

I think one of the key things is that both Ahsan/Setiawan are very skilled at the net, meaning that while drop shotting and conserving energy, they don’t give much opportunity for the Japanese to counter attack. Additionally, in this passage of play (where Ahsan/Setiawan drop shot, and the Japanese lift), there is greater pressure on the Japanese to produce the higher quality shot. Any slightly short lift will be punished by either Ahsan/Setiawan at the net, whereas it’s a relatively easy drop shot on the Indonesian’s end.

But it’s hard to fault Gideon/Sukamuljo for being this rushed in opportunities. Their lack of power is quite a problem, because even with 3/4 court lifts for them they’re unable to put it on the floor. This means that as compared to Ahsan/Setiawan they have to be even more alert on any opportunities given at the net. Gideon isn’t that sharp on the net, I have seen quite a couple of lifts that he could’ve intercepted but didn’t (although he’s making an effort on this front), and Kevin feels a lot of pressure to capitalise and in the process makes quite a few mistakes.
 
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Ahsan smash and his footwork!!
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rhoder said:
Hasn’t this been discussed prior? The crux is in their patience, Yuta/Endo can get a lot of their shots back as well, but when Yuta/Endo manage to pull off a great defensive shot they are willing to start from square one again, unlike Kevin/Marcus who force the issue and in the process sacrifice their positioning because they’re not willing to “give up that opportunity when they were so close” (a bit of sunk cost fallacy).

I think steepness of shot makes Endo/Watanabe’s defensive work difficult, not really power. If you notice, Ahsan’s full power smashes don’t work very well at all if the Japanese are well positioned. Which is why he accepts that liability and is content to drop shot until he finds an opportunity. Hendra on the other hand has the natural height, his shots have natural steepness that give the Japanese some discomfort.

I think one of the key things is that both Ahsan/Setiawan are very skilled at the net, meaning that while drop shotting and conserving energy, they don’t give much opportunity for the Japanese to counter attack. Additionally, in this passage of play (where Ahsan/Setiawan drop shot, and the Japanese lift), there is greater pressure on the Japanese to produce the higher quality shot. Any slightly short lift will be punished by either Ahsan/Setiawan at the net, whereas it’s a relatively easy drop shot on the Indonesian’s end.

But it’s hard to fault Gideon/Sukamuljo for being this rushed in opportunities. Their lack of power is quite a problem, because even with 3/4 court lifts for them they’re unable to put it on the floor. This means that as compared to Ahsan/Setiawan they have to be even more alert on any opportunities given at the net. Gideon isn’t that sharp on the net, I have seen quite a couple of lifts that he could’ve intercepted but didn’t (although he’s making an effort on this front), and Kevin feels a lot of pressure to capitalise and in the process makes quite a few mistakes.
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Hendra unpredictability at the front court is also one of the key imo, he just knew when to take the pace off and destroy the japanese positioning in the defense.
 
wade said:
Hendra unpredictability at the front court is also one of the key imo, he just knew when to take the pace off and destroy the japanese positioning in the defense.
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No doubt. But I’ve noticed Kevin has been trying to impart that change of pace into his interceptions as well. But he hasn’t been as successful. I think the reasons are two fold:

1. Kevin and Marcus do not possess the power to push Endo/Watanabe behind in their defensive stance so it’s a lot easier to retrieve the soft interceptions

2. He feels greater pressure in scoring winners from the front of the court, knowing that Marcus is unable to consistently capitalise on those 3/4 lifts that he may be able to get from a change of pace. As a result, he feels the need to hit his interceptions hard in order to generate the winner himself. Psychologically, I do think it’s harder for Kevin to play those change of pace shots, as compared to Hendra, even if he possesses the skillset.

But of course Hendra is still better than Kevin in this department
 
Look at how happy Ahsan was after winning the last point at the AsianGames2014 beating 2 Korea pairs in Korea , that will never happen in SS tournaments let alone in AG ( beating the home pairs consecs in SF & F) I believe that was the last time it happened, it trumps all the other titles from what I see how he celebrated it.. such a tough tournaments to win with only 2 reps per country , its almost sudden deaths.
 
Late 2020 or early 2021, Ahsan and Setiawan might be using the new "Reach Beyond" Colorways for the Wave Claw, Fang Zero, and Wave Claw Neo (Which I assume are Mizuno Wave Claw Neo for Ahsan and Mizuno Wave Fang Zero for Setiawan). Photos of the new colorways are down below.104393139_2850671828377534_1165094179401177195_o.jpg
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The Daddies really be like Thanos of badminton, using different brands!


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badmintonpog1 said:
The Daddies really be like Thanos of badminton, using different brands!


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So...

Yonex, Flypower, Yonex (again), Li Ning, Mizuno, Victor..

That's 6 stones done with.

Waiting for Apacs to "scoop" them up with the gauntlet and all we need is for them to snap their fingers!

*gasp
 
esppy said:
So...

Yonex, Flypower, Yonex (again), Li Ning, Mizuno, Victor..

That's 6 stones done with.

Waiting for Apacs to "scoop" them up with the gauntlet and all we need is for them to snap their fingers!

*gasp
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Well, Daddies gotta make a living :D
 
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