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Need help with 2 things (grip related)

Discussion in 'Techniques / Training' started by dineshr, Jul 2, 2019.

  1. dineshr

    dineshr New Member

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    47 year old trying to improve my game, sp please bear with me :)

    1) I tried hitting a few drives with my partner. First my focus was just on me hitting forehand drives consistently. I realized that after 7 to 8 drives my fingers could not clamp down on the racquet with enough force while hitting the shuttle. Almost like frozen/tired. I make it a point to tighten the grip only at the point of contact and then release it to loose grip as soon as I have completed the drive.
    2) may be for the above reason, I am not able to quickly switch between forehand and backhand drive for forehand and backhand drives.

    I am more worried about 1 as may be 2 is more due to me not practicing enough and just playing games.
     
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    What racket do you use?
    Heavier racket (3U or even U) will be harder to manouver & higher balance point would make it even worst if one not used to it.

    Even me whos claim used to head heavy 3U racket for double & find not much problem on fast play had to admit that using lighter one is more easy to manuover. It just that its not my preference & liking, so what can i say:D.
     
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    dineshr New Member

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    I use a Duora ZStrike, but notice similar issue with Arc Saber ZSlash (one of the lightest racquet). It is like my hands are frozen and dont have the strength to clamp down
     
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    Ballschubser Regular Member

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    Are you utilizing your shoulder,arm,wrist or only fingers and wrists ? What about your finger strength in general, have you tested it (like hanging from a pullup bar).

    Think about a wave, your racket is in front of you , racket head at shoulder height, ready to receive , you pull your elbow back, then your hand(wrist), then the racket head and after this you push your elbow forward, followed up by your hand(wrist movement) and finally the racket head hitting the shuttle. I think, that most of the power will come from this kinetic chain and the finger will only provide some addtional power.

     
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    dineshr New Member

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    Thanks. I think I do that or may be I should record myself and see if I am really executing or just conceptually feeling that I do it.

    I think I have pathetic finger strength. Wont last more than a minute on a pull up bar.
     
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    dineshr New Member

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    Also, should I consciously try to cock my wrist (angle between back of wrist and forearm as short as possible) when I pronate for either backhand or forehand ? I seem to be not doing it.
     
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    Ballschubser Regular Member

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    The best thing I have done in the past is to record some matches and analyse them. You will be surprised about what you think you are doing and what you are acutally doing. And you will discover a lot of positive things you are totaly unaware of.
     
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    Here is a slow motion video of my attempt to simulate returning smashes(my partner (not a badminton player) did the best to throw shuttles at me) Appreciate any improvements that I can make. My wrists really hurt after I tried that 20 to 25 times. Normal ?


    And then I see this and it feels effortless.




    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
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    Feed is not the same - your partner is not simulating a smash, they are simulating a drop shot.

    Stroke result is not the same - you are doing a high lift, and the video you linked shows a flatter lift (you can see the angle it's coming off at).

    Basically you're comparing non-comparable strokes. You're practising what is actually more like a high lift off a drop shot based on the trajectories of feed/return, just with the feed landing in the midcourt rather than on the service line. In fact, you stand so far back in the court that it's probably about the same in terms of footwork/distance.

    If you want to practise doubles defence with a hand feed, it needs to be thrown such that it actually lands where a doubles smash would, be thrown such that it travels a bit flatter (either throw faster whilst aiming higher, or thrown from a lower position). Much easier if it's thrown on the same side of the net as the defender, otherwise you need an overhead racquet feed which is a hard technique in itself.

    Perhaps get a video of you defending a few smashes from a friend during warmup drills?
     
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    Got it. I realized the limitation when I posted. Have to get a real sparring partner. Thanks.


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    I would take a look at your grip. Some observations:
    1. You extend your wrist almost all the time:
    You can see, that your racket face is almsot perpendicular to the floor when you await a shot while you have a backhand grip leading to wrist extension.
    2. You swing your racket when awaiting a shot.
    3. Hard to see, but your thumb seems to be below your index finger. If this is the case, you dont have a pivot where you could use your finger power, you should put your index finger below the thumb:
    https://www.badmintonbible.com/shots/grips/basics/backhand

    In my opinion 1 + 2 could lead to tightening up your muscle/wrist too much.. A more relaxed (neutral) grip between defending shots could help here. 3 could lead to limitating the power generation. Only utilizing your arm alone to generate power could lead to more moementum your wrist need to handle when you move your racket back to a defending position. Try to generate more power with our your fingers(thumb).This might be the reason you need such a large swing compared to player in the second video.
     
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    It's also helpful to use a short grip (thumb closer to the cone / shaft area) for doubles defence. Quick racket movements are more useful than big, powerful ones.
     

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