NEW: Fixed Height Experiment for Service

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  1. pcll99

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    it's just red light.

    you are not going blind..

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    red line should be safe...

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    blue line is not safe..
     
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    Read what I said again. Blinded. Not becoming blind. All you need is a flash of a sharp contrast sign colour to mess with your vision and focus. It's like being caught unawares by a flash from something as puny as your handphone LED.

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    O i see what u mean...

    How about putting some blinders on the device

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    Are we going to have Robocops as our service judges in the future?:D
     
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    Could be shut off right after the serve.
     
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    True. But then you'd be adding another element to the system that requires control. When you have that, you have another area that can go wrong and go wrong badly especially since at the end of the day, all these systems are human controlled and human error is just a matter of when and not if.

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    It could turn it self off a split second after it detects motion.
     
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    So you want add a motion sensor to the system to further complicate things. Granted I like your idea but here's where I think it will go wrong.

    What's the fine line of motion it has to detect in order to deactivate? Much less the range at which it must detect? What if the deactivation is triggered because the sensor read the service action as a motion? That ruins the whole point of the system existing in the first place then does it not? I'm not even an engineer by any stretch, but common knowledge and logic already has me poking holes in the solution and it's viability.

    How about reactivation when the service situation comes into play again every point? Who will do that process? A machine or a man?
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    Reactivation would be done by the service judge. Not saying the concept is perfect but I think it could be made to work well.
     
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    You guys are introducing unnecessarily complicated tech when we already have Hawkeye being used.

    All they have to do is adapt the cameras for projection onto a horizontal target and away you go! Service faults will still be called by the service judge just as line calls are called by the line judges, and players can even challenge the service fault calls! Exciting times!

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    Good idea.

    But I thought hawkeye is very expensive!

    The self leveling laser device is less than US$50.

    https://www.amazon.com/Laser-Levels...386011,p_n_feature_two_browse-bin:11646390011
     
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    Integration of such a function in hawkeye is a great idea. But looking at the system now I'd say it's impossible tbh. It clearly needs a technical team behind it at every tournament now. It takes anywhere between 20 seconds to 2 minutes just for it to take in data from all the cameras feeding into it and computing in order to get a result. It's fantastic for controversial and disputable line calls. But it is nowhere near ready or capable of making live split second judgements that are required for service judging right now.

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    I have a better idea to build on yours. Activation of the system will be via a pressure switch in the service judge's hand. Instead of deactivation. Make the user reliant on the system in order to force them to turn it on momentarily for when it is required. Better than forgetting to turn it off when you must.

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    They should just let the players challenge this rule when a fault is called. The serve will be reviewed ala Hawkeye style (like reviewing the camera feed focusing on those 2 lines) and if its the incorrect call, play a let :rolleyes:
     
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    In any case... does any of you ever found anyone who has trouble making a legal serve after this rule is in place?
     
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    Only the sport of badminton has to debate silly service rules because the nature of the service is daft. Should be simplified to avoid all the height blather. Soon it will be time to change the scoring again. Hohoho badminton.
     
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    Watching the Thailand Masters at the moment and noticed that the service height devices have been modified such that the two plastic plates are now further apart than they were before, presumably to reduce parallax errors. The plates look to be about 15 cm or so apart. Is this the first tournament where this modification has been used?
     
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