Paris 2024 Olympics - Final Day, 5 August 2024

Discussion in '2024 Tournaments' started by pcll99, Aug 4, 2024.

  1. LjS4

    LjS4 Regular Member

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    lin dan has 2 og gold, 5 wc gold, 2 ag gold, 6 ae titles. mind you he won majority of those when ms talent was at their absolute peak. how is the goat debate even exist lol it isn't even close
     
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    Thanks for the explanation! I would definitely put a disclaimer somewhere on your GOAT rankings page, that it favors newer players rather than older players because of the reasons you mentioned above. Even a short one or two line explanation that explains why it favors newer players is enough, with a link for people that want a more detailed explanation.

    IMO, probably one or two players from the 1960s to 1990s should be in the top 6. That is 30 years of badminton so whoever was the most dominant player in those 30 years, deserves to be in the top 6 for sure, maybe even top 3.
     
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    LD also cherry picks the Super Series events he wants to put more focus on winning. It's not a coincidence that LD has won 6 AE titles. He won the AE more than he did some other Super Series events. If you check his Wiki page and go to the bottom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_Dan), you can see that aside from his extended vacation after the 2012 OG, he participated in every AE event that he could participate in. Then there were some Super Series tournaments that LD seemed to focus less on, and there were whole gaps in years where he did not attend those tournaments.
     
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    Does your All Time in GOAT starts from 2020 ?
     
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    I’m a Federer fan and I find it interesting that you said this statement. I am curious is it some personal biasness in favour of Federer (I don’t have any problem) or there are some other reasons that you said that ?
     
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    Switching gears a bit (and I hope some of you will entertain this idea), badminton is over and now I can focus more on watching table tennis. If any of you follow table tennis, you would know that China fielded Fan Zhedong and Wang Chuqin for their men's singles events. Ma Long was ranked below them and was not able to defend his title, nor make 3 golds a possibility. Even then, Ma Long is playing in the team events for China, so he is still part of the Olympics!

    To me, getting to watch the team events means more table tennis to watch. Each country fields a 3 person team (men's and women's teams) that play 2 singles, 1 doubles, then 2 singles matches if necessary. What are everyone's thoughts on having an Olympics team event format for badminton?
     
  7. Smautf

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    Just out of interest, can anyone recall a serious ACL injury in a high ranked male singles player?

    BTW ACL injuries in women's football are quite an issue too:

    https://www.skysports.com/football/...me-and-the-technology-and-solutions-to-fix-it
     
  8. Sundis

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    Great idea, but I beat you to it by 9 years :D:p
    https://www.badmintoncentral.com/fo...-have-a-team-event-for-badminton-also.156298/
     
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    I'm sure we are not the only ones who thought of "how can we get to see more badminton at the Olympics"! =)

    The only thing I would be concerned is how injury prone badminton players can get. Not sure if the risk is less for table tennis players, but they do also play a lot of events during the year.
     
  10. Cheung

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    You could have it. However, you might lose categories as well. Olympic table tennis doesn’t have men’s nor women’s doubles categories. Summer Olympics doesn’t want to add more athletes so to me, badminton in Winter Olympics is more logical for expansion.
     
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    i would exclude the wtf because only 8 are let in. for tournaments to count equally you have to have an equal or greater amount of entrants as the others. also, historically the wtf isn't held in equal regard by the top 32 players or their federations. i have never heard a winner say "this is one of the most important titles to have in my career. it's been a life long dream of mine to win this." it's viewed as a bonus. just like olympic tennis not being equally prioritized by the top 64 tennis players.
     
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    that is something asy & her attorneys will have to stipulate in her lawsuit. asy may be in no mood to play for bka in team (uber & sudirman) events anyway. wc & og are individual events. there is no team vs. team format or official team score.

    did bka violate ko/shin's rights in those cases? i don't know. i don't have a copy of their legal pleadings or judgement. maybe someone can find it...?
     
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    without a doubt!

    og & wc are the highest priorities for malaysia: its players, its fans, national pride.
     
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    your methodology is the most sound i've encountered to date.

    thanks for your site!
     
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    based on my personal live-in-person observations of both pairs during their respective peaks in bwf top tier tournaments i think ly/wcl are better. they are virtually equal in every dynamic of the game except one, the flat game. ly/wcl are noticeably better.

    and as far as all-time ranking goes 2 og golds far outweigh 1 ae + 1 ag. do you think kkk/tbh would disagree?
     
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    the only valid opinions are those of the athletes. who would know better than them, us lowly couch potato fans?

    has any badminton athlete ever disputed lin dan's goatness™?
     
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    He starts from 2016 to be honest where he makes lots of SS finals and lost. Thats 8 years at the top of badminton and i cant remember a whole lot of time he is out of of top 8.
     
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    There are questions asked so there are debates about it. Thats what makes MS interesting going forward.

    I think LD is a physical beast of specimen himself. He moves like a wizard in 2008 OG Final. He walks the weak field. At that time , Taufik is basically finished. Hu Yun? I remembered he reached top 8 at some point. He will be demolished by todays Prannoy.

    Look at the era we are playing now. 9 different AE winners in last 10 edition. SYQ LSF LZJ huge powerful guys im not sure Axelsen can survive after this but if he does, Wow

    Obviously there is one thing media angling to portray and thats GOAT from Europe is probably better for badminton in the future. China has too many goats of other disciplines.
     
  19. LjS4

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    guys like syq & lsf would be 4th china ms back then behind ld, cl, & cj please stop this nonsense. i'm not sure those guys even better than bcl

    if axelsen played in 2008-2012 he would be lucky if he could even play 1 major final. the level was much higher back then
     
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    That's a good idea! I may add them into select-menu in the next update. By the way, combine MD/WD/XD for individual means the ranking based on the points each player achieved in a single doubles event, or the total points each player achieved in the three doubles events?
     

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