Shreya Jha
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An and Kim/Seo are badminton gods hehe
PETRONAS MALAYSIA OPEN 2026 (6-1-2026 to 11-6-2026)
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S Chandrasekhar
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So you mean to say the way Fajar backhand net court drive topple to win the match against SatChi (21-23) or Kobayashi (or hoki) leaving the last point for misjudgement to give victory to Lane/Vendy is hallmark of practise and greatness? Phewwwww!!! I DONT ACCEPT THAT.
S Chandrasekhar
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No they don't outweigh at all. How about the super points which Chia/Soh scored back despite trailing 11-4 or 10-4 down with their home ground under pressure. Why isn't that being appreciated at all?
S Chandrasekhar
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GOAT pairs got defeated with ease by sleeping resting pair Tan/Azriyn. Even in this tournament, Tan/Azryn were leading 11-5 (first set) after which Tan made errors after errors which is quite acceptable because Tan/Azriyn do not practise 20% of what leading pairs do. Yet, they defeat top pairs like Liang/Wang or give close matches. I am quite sure in future tournaments also matches with Tan/Azryn will be close for everyone.
S Chandrasekhar
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Korean were got off guard in the defense too, when Chia/Soh started targeting their smashes close to the second line, lot of smashes Seo and Kim "Wall" Ho were unable to defend.
Lin Dan also lost to some players outside the top 10 on some occassion. Heck, he lost to Park Sung Hwan at the 2010 World Championships lol. You can be the GOAT and still lose to lower-ranked players or pairs, it’s normal. The fact is, Kim/Seo had around a 90% win rate last year despite some people calling them “lucky.”
Leading at the interval against them means nothing. The Chinese pair led 17–11 against them in the World Championship final and then lost 10 straight points once the Koreans upped their gear. Whether people like it or not, they have that extra gear that other pairs are lacking, and that’s often the difference. Once they switch into that brick-wall mode without giving away any easy points, opponents start to crumble and mentally break down.
Habisin-Habisin
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samkool
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it's a given everybody can score, and everybody gets scored on. there are no 21-0 21-0 results in professional badminton. obviously they are all in the group of humans considered to be the world's best badminton athletes. so, i don't know what your point is. are you downplaying the korean's current consistent success or justifying why the rest of the field is consistently losing to them? nobody remembers a valiant comeback when you lose.
you wanna discuss the last two points of the md final?
hitting 2 shots long under no pressure... talk about 
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...this is professional sports. all that matters is who scores the last point... the final score... and your final career results.
samkool
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i'm gonna say... no. if i use the same racket as they do i guarantee you i won't get the same results as they do.
S Chandrasekhar
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it's a given everybody can score, and everybody gets scored on. there are no 21-0 21-0 results in professional badminton. obviously they are all in the group of humans considered to be the world's best badminton athletes. so, i don't know what your point is. are you downplaying the korean's current consistent success or justifying why the rest of the field is consistently losing to them? nobody remembers a valiant comeback when you lose.
you wanna discuss the last two points of the md final?
this is professional sports. all that matters is who scores the last point... the final score... and your final career results.
i don't know what your point is.
My point (which PARK JB Echoed) is strength in terms of % Kim/Seo - (All current top MD pairs) < 1%.
Nobody remembers a valiant comeback when you lose.
This is your opinion which is subjective. Dont remember Lin Dan's comeback against LCW in Rio after he was 20-17 down?
Yes. There are techniques to increase your chances of hitting the netcord and the shuttle going over. Sure you can quote particular instances and I can’t say for sure whether it was luck. But definitely you can practice hitting the tape with the objective of the shuttle having a statistically greater chance of going over.
samkool
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i know he said that, but what does it really quantify? how does it translate to 73-7 win/loss rate of 91.25% for 2025.
does it mean ssj/kwh make 199 out of 200 shots and the others only make 198 out of 200... a 0.5% difference?
does it mean the other pairs have a win rate of 90.26%-91.24% (<1%)?
does it mean ssj/kwh win 50.4% of the points and their opponents only win 49.6%?
ummm... lcw won the match 15-21, 21-11, 22-20. it's not a valiantly failed comeback when you're only down 3 points, tie it at 20, then lose.
Didn’t know Tan Ning could speak English.
Really quite impressed. The interview is on their Facebook page but not Instagram
Really quite impressed. The interview is on their Facebook page but not Instagram
I saw somewhere that WZY also answered her interview in English. I appreciate these new-gen Chinese players, they seem more open-minded and realize that using English can connect them with a lot of fans around the world. It helps the sport grow even more when many top players do this.
S Chandrasekhar
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Agree on the fact that close to the net shots and dribble can be practised, which many singles players do (LCW was a champion at that). But really don't agree one can practise shots like smash or a drive from the back court hitting the net and toppling over.
S Chandrasekhar
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Well, it could very well mean that Kim/Seo are fortunately crossing over the line each time.
Secondly take the SF meeting between Seo/Kim and Lane Vendy. Kim/Seo total points scored 50 (21+21+8) and Lane/Vendy scored (11+21+18=50), equal number of points. With Chia/Soh it's (21+21+12=54) and for Chia/Soh it's (15+21+18=54). Same number of points scored. What GOAT/DOG/CAT pair, when the total number of points scored by each pair is the same? It just means during crucial moments they are tipping over. QED
samkool
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lets say a #1 ranked player/pair scores less total points in 90% of their matches but wins the match 90% of the time?
how do fans/history regard them in all-time ranking (goat) discussions? for me, at least, any player/pair with a 90% win rate is dominant. total points are irrelevant.
I think you make a good statement here. If a pair wins fewer/equal points but consistently (which means it is not just fortunate) gains wins in more matches, that is definitely the mark of a great pairing. Very difficult to beat.
Dang, I don’t mind winning fewer points if it means I win the match! I would take that any day of the week.
S Chandrasekhar
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Sure brother. My point was never to disagree on Kim/Seo greatness. My point was only that the difference is very very marginal. Well, it's true for fans they only the end result that's perfectly ok for me. As i said, i do consider some other factors as well. As i said, for me being really dominant means not winning 100% matches with very close margins. For me dominant means decimating (<17 points) the opponents always (with occasional losses).
total points are irrelevant.
I differ here. For me if a pair always ends up loosing 21-19, 21-19 with Kim/Seo (or any other top pair for that matter), they are equal only, though the result might not favour them. Endo (LCW) example always comes to mind. Comes to so many finals with Hayakawa and always ends up loosing.
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