Question about playing badminton and Tennis

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  1. cooler

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    Fencing
    Skiing: Freestyle
    Team Handball
    Cycling: Sprints
    Bobsledding/Luge
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    Badminton

    fencing ranked higher than all those. LOL
    in badminton, we do more lunging in one game than a fencer does in the whole tournament and fencing is 99% about lunging.
     
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    Uhhhh, I feel this is very debatable. I find badminton more expensive just because of the feather shuttle usage. Equipment, tennis rackets last a lot longer. Tennis stringing will cost you a bit more. Tennis coaching is double or more per hour than badminton.

    If you just go bare bones, badminton is more expensive. If you go with all the fixings, tennis is more expensive.
     
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    That source is definitely not reliable. Oh well.
     
  4. cooler

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    ur too modest.
    badminton is more expensive

    example.

    durability: tennis ball>> plastic shuttle>>>feather shuttle
    durability: tennis racket>>badminton racket
    durability: tennis string > badminton string

    shoes about the same

    lessons: i know a family is paying 70$/hr for a coach, and this excluding court fee, shuttles which the students are paying extra on top of their lessons

    there are lots of outdoor public tennis court for free here. I don't see any free public badminton courts here. I was in new zealand 3 years ago. I got to play tennis on very good condition grass, clay and hard courts, all publicly free. None of badminton activity were free nor the badminton courts are just so so.
     
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    I was the one who started this topic asking if i would play badminton and tennis if it would dammage my badminton game

    not it turned into witch sport is better well let me give my opinion

    I played Tennis once in my life (the day i posted this topic) we played for 4 hours and at the end i wasn't tired at all

    in a few min of playing i could keep up in a one on one match , theer isn't anything like difficlut 2 learn or shots that u need 2 know a other shot 2 be able 2 do that one

    Tennis is 100 times easyer then badminton
    and it also demands alot less from your body u barly do something just stand theer run side ways and some times 2 the fron thats it
     
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    The review done by specialists is not entirely correct

    Hi Benasp,

    I just want to say that the review done by specialists (as charted in your link= about this) is not entirely correct.

    I am a qualified badminton coach...... so perhaps you can call me a specialist too. ;););)

    And I just want to touch on 2 of the 10 categories in their review, strength and power.

    The charted info on strength and power is definitely incorrect, and you have proved it to yourself when you stated; "I will return a badminton smash all day long rather than a tennis smash".

    When you said you can return a badminton smash, you are saying that the badminton smash is not powerful enough so you get a chance to return it. And then you implied that a tennis smash is more powerful, so it is harder to return it.

    Well, this proves that the strength and power required by a badminton player to do a powerful smash (as required to make sure you find it difficult to return it) needs to be so much greater as compared to a tennis smash. So how can those specialists say that badminton rated only 3.25 and 4.00 for strength and power respectively, as compared to the tennis ratings of 5.13 and 7.13 ??? :confused::confused::confused:

    In fact, because the strength and power required by a badminton player is so demanding that many older badminton players retire earlier than many older tennis players.

    And, in particular, I am not just talking about the smash...... I am talking about the most used stroke in badminton, the Overhead Clear. Many older players retire from badminton when they find that they can no longer do their Overhead Clears from baseline to baseline.

    You should know this; To be able to hit a shuttle over the full length of a badminton court requires more strength and power than to hit a ball over the full length of a tennis court.

    But of course, here I am talking about playing Good Badminton. Perhaps, the review done by specialist is just referring to players who are just capable of hitting a shuttle over the net, which could be just half the length of the court.

    So, just on these 2 categories, I disagree with those specialists.

    Cheers... chris@ccc
     
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    so yu are probally very talented, congratulation cause i started to enjoy tennis after about 4 years cause in the beginning it was boring cause i needed to swing very slow to be sure that it landed in and every time i tried to hit hard it landed out. Or maybe you were playing tennis the way most people play badminton ie a backyard game.

    by the way, talking about the hardest sport what in your mind are the hardest sport of all. I hope you fanboy won't still say badminton, it take lots of credibility from you. For me it's Snowboard/skateboard, these guy are just awersome jumping 30 feet jum and landing right on a 3 inch pole to make a slide... and it's even harder in skate cause the board isn't attached to our feet. And for endurance, it would probally be Hockey yeah i'm macho lol but it's one of the fastest sport and player make 1min shift and get exausted like hell.
     
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    Sorry to be carried away, talking about something else

    Hi Jean-Carlo,

    Hehehe...... so many times we just get carried away and find ourselves talking about something else. :eek::eek::eek:

    Sorry... chris@ccc
     
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    1. Yes the badminton bird decelerates at a high rate whereas the tennis serve would perhaps even accelerate due to the spin that is on it. Agreed. Despite this fact, badminton is a much faster game than tennis correct?

    2. Badminton court is considerably smaller than a tennis court so reaction time is still lower than tennis correct? And so you'd require much more reflexes to return a badminton smash correct? And to return this shot by using your reflexes and executing a proper shot so that the next shot will not finish you is near impossible. In tennis you HARDLY run. Why? Because you get a bounce... and because there is a less variation in shots, tennis players can anticipate the shot. In badminton, it could be a drop or a smash to whereever in the court. And we don't get a bounce...

    3. that link you gave us is bogus. It says that car racers need more power than badminton players... I don't know how much power it takes to drive a car. Am I surprised to see that all the american macho sports are at the top of the list on a research done by american specialists? Seems like a load of bs.

    4. Please get this straight. Badminton is MUCH more unpredictable than tennis. this is indisputable. Explain to me how tennis is more unpredictable...

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    Lets see, you're missing:
    drives, hairpins, I would argue that you can even split the categories you listed into: defensive and offensive clears, slices, I probably haven't listed all either...
     
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    the chart as I understand it is based on the subjective assemesments from different coaches.. Most of the US coaches has probably never been near a Pro Badminton-match so what makes you think they are qualified to "assess" other games than the one they "know"??

    The chart would have been interesting if it had been basedon at least some scientifical comparison between the top players of different sports.. For example VO2max, Vertical Jump, Rope-skipping, bench-press, leg-press, coordination etc etc and then compare the sports..

    At best I think the ESPN chart represent the "average" VIEWS of sport-coaches in US about sports "toughness".. But its a highly subjective chart..All it tells is that Americans view badminton as easy... And of course all of us that plays competetive knows they are uninformed..

    Some of the ratings are laughable at the chart.. Rowing for example is like badminton... very demanding.. to state that alpine skiing is more demanding than rowing at a top level is extremely silly...

    Swimming is also totally underrated imop..

    The chart is basically at the same level of relevance as most of the top-ten lists from Dave Letterman :rolleyes:
     
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    I would say, most physically demanding ("hardest" gets us into the really subjective mud... Is Tennis "harder" than chess ??? ) in my book is probably gymnastics, greek/roman wrestling and decathlon has to be up there as well..

    But Hockey (or any team sport i can think of for that matter) isn't really that demanding, each player have different roles and its a collective effort so you can just get of court if you get to tired etc..

    Snowboarding and skateboarding??? Are you joking, man??? Come on., I love Tony Hawk :) .. but.. its a sport where artistic presentation is the major thing (bigger aspect than the physical side), just like figure-skating and platform diving :p

    /T
     
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    the only one who could tell which sport is the most demanding is someone WHO HAVE BEEN PLAYING all those sports... that's all folks..:)
     
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    Yah in that case i am a very unadaptive player then
    Being adaptive in one sport is one thing
    Being adaptive in 2 completely different sport that contradict
    in a certain area is just something else..

    its like asking volley ball player to play basketball and ask them to dunk
    with single leg lift off.. i bet they will still use 2 leg lift off. Its literally
    both jumping isn't it? yet it involve very different technique..

    When we get involve in a sport, we learn to memorize a certain
    movements with your body, not yr head. To be good at it u wanted the
    spontaneous and split second reaction.

    When u'r being pressured, Yr body react the way it is most familar with
    which not necessary the "correct" way to do a certain things.

    Someone being Adaptive in your terms perheps is not trying hard enough in neither
     
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    Well im done here. I feel like having a 1-person conversation, and this conversation itself is jumping from Tennis to skateboarding...and I won't start arguing about skateboarding...:(
     
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    yeah but that not hard to do at all, when i switch i know i have to lock my wrist, no big deal ! Someone not able to switch from one to the other prove is a very unadaptive player

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    don't want to sound like a personal attack but it sounds like benasp hasn't grasp the basics in badminton nor in tennis. The difference between badminton and tennis not only just loose wrist versus locked wrist, it's more about timing and difference in footwork. In tennis, i can get there soon enough but may pause a moment to let the ball bounce before i hit it or i sometime step back a step or 2 before hitting the ball. In badminton we try to hit the shuttle ASAP, and as high as possible and as forward as possible. We only step back if the shuttle flies behind us.

    The most important and powerful stroke in tennis is the serve and it IS SIMILAR to a badminton smashing stroke, u don't lock your wrist, u pronate the wrist. The motions of forearm, shoulder, abdomen twist, and leg push off are the same as in a badminton smash.
     
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    Ok, one last thing. About the possibility of types of shots, in tennis, because it is a ball you have topspin, underspin and sidespin. This is due to the angling of the racquet on contact.

    For badminton, you wrote parallel and cross, ignoring the racquet angling of badminton shots, which are slice, reverse slice and spinning netshots.
     
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    never try it like that T.T I did it and i hurt my wrist I'm not sure why but it kills your hand (not to mention it doesn't go in).
     
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    i saved some pics long ago in hope one day to show other non-badminton players how playing badminton is like many other sports. Regarding my previous post on tennis serve is similar to a badminton smash example, here is the proof from one of my pic collection. Look at how much the tennis serve pronated his wrist. My example pics aren't the best but good enough to make my point
     

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    ^^^Similar pics??...^^^

    ..my contribution to this "hotly-debated" thread...sorry cooler, i know it's another Taufik pic:p, but i thought this pic really shows how the forehand and wrist are integral parts of a badminton smash/stroke..;)
     

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    thx, i need to up date my photos which i stop updating more than 3 years ago. It show that to get maximum racket head speed one must pronate their wrist. I will replace my old pic with your TH pic, proof that i'm no anti TH :)

    wanna how old my pics, jumpsmashing photos of arbi heryanto:(
     
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