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The current IBF ranking:

1 CHEN Hong CHN ---------------------------------3795.97
2 LEE Hyun II KOR ---------------------------------2877.58
3 JONASSEN Kenneth DEN --------------------------2817
4 XIA Xuanze CHN ---------------------------------2508.33
5 WONG Choong Hann MAS -------------------------2361
6 BOESEN Anders DEN -----------------------------2223
7 KUNCORO Sony Dwi INA --------------------------2168.25
8 SUSILO Ronald SIN -------------------------------2067
9 SHON Seung Mo KOR -----------------------------1968
10 KALDAU Niels Christian DEN -----------------------1932
11 NG Wei HKG ------------------------------------1819.5
12 HASHIM Muhd Hafiz B MAS -----------------------1800
13 HIDAYAT Taufik INA ------------------------------1764.21
14 YAMADA Hidetaka JPN ----------------------------1723.45
15 LIN Dan CHN ------------------------------------1698
16 HASHIM M. Roslin MAS ----------------------------1692
17 LEE Tsuen Seng MAS -----------------------------1630.29
18 JOPPIEN Bjoern GER ------------------------------1611.15

Olympic points ranking (My calculation)
1 CHEN Hong CHN ---------------------------------1902
2 LEE Hyun II KOR ---------------------------------1560
3 SHON Seung Mo KOR ----------------------------1390
4 LIN Dan CHN -------------------------------------1368
5 WONG Choong Hann MAS ------------------------1338
6 Bao Chunlai CHN ---------------------------------1164
7 Lee Chongwei MAS ------------------------------1146
8 HASHIM M. Roslin MAS ----------------------------1098
9 XIA Xuanze CHN ----------------------------------1092
10 Chen Yu CHN ------------------------------------1056
11 SUSILO Ronald SIN --------------------------------960
12 HASHIM Muhd Hafiz B MAS ------------------------945
13 NG Wei HKG --------------------------------------924
14 HIDAYAT Taufik INA -------------------------------912
15 KUNCORO Sony Dwi INA ---------------------------882
15 JONASSEN Kenneth DEN ---------------------------882
17 LEE Tsuen Seng MAS ------------------------------748
18 GADE Peter DEN -----------------------------------628

Prize Money ranking (My calculation in g$)
1 CHEN Hong CHN ---------------------------------34.7
2 XIA Xuanze CHN ---------------------------------25.875
3 LIN Dan CHN -------------------------------------19.95
4 WONG Choong Hann MAS ------------------------18.65
5 HIDAYAT Taufik INA -----------------------------15.95
6 LEE Hyun II KOR ---------------------------------14.7
7 Chen Yu CHN -------------------------------------14.325
8 SHON Seung Mo KOR -----------------------------11.25
9 Bao Chunlai CHN ----------------------------------9.75
10 Lee Chongwei MAS --------------------------------8.775
11 HASHIM M. Roslin MAS -----------------------------8.275
12 SUSILO Ronald SIN --------------------------------5.75
13 KUNCORO Sony Dwi INA ---------------------------5.475
14 JONASSEN Kenneth DEN ---------------------------5.475
15 NG Wei HKG --------------------------------------4.65
15 HASHIM Muhd Hafiz B MAS -------------------------4.625
17 LEE Tsuen Seng MAS ------------------------------3.4
18 GADE Peter DEN -----------------------------------3.4

Chen Hong is really the undisputed number 1 even he gave up the Denmark open. He is far better than all the others. The 2nd and below are different.

Since WC has no prize money, but it is the top 7 star tournaments, and in fact, it is the most important tournaments for all players. Even silver medalist Wong got huge prize from his home country for his runnerup position at WC. So to match its 7 star, I assume it was a $300,000 total prize.

IMHO, the monkey ranking is better than the other two
 
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what about other disciplines?
I guess MX and maybe WS are no brainers,
but which pairs lead WD and MD in olympic rankings?
 
Originally posted by 2cents
Sorry, it should be "the money ranking"

I am sorry I didn't calculate other rankings except men's singles.
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Although lost in the first round of the denmark open,I think Lee HI should got 48 points according to the regulation of IBF ranking.Right?
 
Originally posted by SmartCivet
Although lost in the first round of the denmark open,I think Lee HI should got 48 points according to the regulation of IBF ranking.Right?
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You are right. He did earn 48 points which has already been included in my calculation.

Lee HI, Shon SM and HASHIM Muhd Hafiz have completed 6 tournaments so far. Lee and Shon have already been the top 3 for the Olympic points. While the prize mony these three earned have not been that much. (only the 6th, 8th, and 16th). With top seed Chen Hong out of the German open, can Lee HI and Shon SM meet at the final to validate the IBF ranking system?

It repeats again that top 2 money leaders Xia XZ and Lin Dan (without Chen Hong) will collide again in early rounds exactly like in the World Championship. Why the draw always repeats itself for Chinese players? There are so many possibilities with 64 players to shuffle.
 
What is the probability that Xia meets Lin in the 1st round?

Then, is that probability divided by 2 if they were to meet in teh 2nd round

and then again by 2 if it were the 3rd round?
 
Originally posted by Cheung
What is the probability that Xia meets Lin in the 1st round?

Then, is that probability divided by 2 if they were to meet in teh 2nd round

and then again by 2 if it were the 3rd round?
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What did you mean "meet"? Meet in the draw or meet in the action?

In this coming Germany open, Xia is the 4th seed, while Lin the 12th.

The probability they meet in the 1st round is 0
The probability they meet in the draw in the 2nd round is 0
The probability they meet in the draw in the 3rd round is 1/8 which is 0.125

But in the past WC, Lin was not seeded, then

The probability they meet in the 1st round is 1/48
The probability they meet in the draw in the 2nd round is 1/24
The probability they meet in the draw in the 3rd round is 3/48
 
Originally posted by robinhood

but which pairs lead WD and MD in olympic rankings?
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To me, WD is also a no brainer.

Seems WD will be chinese ladies' "civil war" again. Any of their top 3,4 pairs (Gao/Huang, Yang/Zhang, Wei/Zhao, Zhang/Zhang) seems can take over the rest.

MD tops are from KOR (2 'old' pairs seems doing well in Den Open) and Den. Ind. can have a shot, if Candra and his partner can keep improving, or Sigit finally got a reliable partner to go with. 1 yr might still be too short for the chinese young guns to "shine" on the big stage, but who knows...
 
Originally posted by 2cents
But in the past WC, Lin was not seeded, then

The probability they meet in the 1st round is 1/48
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This is wrong, the probability of them meeting in the first round was zero too!

Have a look at competition regulations on IBF's web site to see the exact rules!!
 
Originally posted by seven
This is wrong, the probability of them meeting in the first round was zero too!

Have a look at competition regulations on IBF's web site to see the exact rules!!
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I think you still stick to the old rule. Separation of entries is now out of date. There is no separation for the same member association now. Now the draw is supposed to be blinded to member associations.
 
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Oh come on... I'm not an idiot! :mad:

Please read article 12.10 of competition regulations :

12.10 Separation of Entries
12.10.1 the first and second ranked entries from any one Member Association shall be drawn by lot in opposite halves of the draw;
12.10.2 the ranking of entries from a Member Association can be amended by the seeding. If this is done a new ranking order is implicitly established and should be used for the purposes of Regulation 12.10.
12.10.3 wherever possible, entries from any one Member Association shall not meet in the first round.
Note: this method of player separation, where it is desired, is recommended for all tournaments conducted at any level of competition.
12.11 For the purposes of Regulation 12.10, a qualifying entry or a pair from two different Member Associations shall be regarded as not coming from any particular Member Association.”

Clearer now? :rolleyes:
 
Actually, both of you are quite correct.

There was an article in the online news somewhere that the seperation rule was now not being enacted - I definately remember reading it.

However, it seems the website may still state the rule enacting seperation.

I think this is the fundamental issue - is the draw totally random?

Let's keep objectivity - IBF definately need to update their website on this issue - not only for us but also for member associations for reference.
 
My post might be little off-topic. But I was curious to know how are you guys calculating these points, ranking and all. Is there any regulation sort of thing from IBF? :confused:
 
Originally posted by Cheung
Actually, both of you are quite correct.

There was an article in the online news somewhere that the seperation rule was now not being enacted - I definately remember reading it.

However, it seems the website may still state the rule enacting seperation.

I think this is the fundamental issue - is the draw totally random?

Let's keep objectivity - IBF definately need to update their website on this issue - not only for us but also for member associations for reference.
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In fact, with the old rule if you had 4 players of one nationality, these 4 players were placed in one different quarter each, so they couldn't meet before semi-finals.

With the new rule, only the first and second are separated in different halves, and the only rule for the 3rd and 4th is that they shouldn't meet one of the others in the first round (but possibly in the second...)

The rule I was quoting is the official precise rule, not an old copy paste or else, and if you have a look on the way animated draws are presented on worldbadminton.net you'll see that this is precisely what is done!!
 
Re: Re: Money ranking

Originally posted by jump_smash
Sorry, could you explain what "g$" is in money ranking?
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Originally posted by 2cents
g=grand. A thousand US dollars
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also that's the ranking in millions of US dollars top basketball players would make, just need to divide by 1000 for badminton
 
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