Shin Baek Cheol

Emm. That clarifies everything. Thanks a ton

 

Never liked KSS style of play and don't even consider him to be a big shot. Ahsan is more complete (complete in the sense that he is excellent from back court and is decent at front court play) than KSS. I find KSS playing so so risky. After Rio olympics Ahsan paired with a guy (a former partner) i think Septano and amazingly won a silver. Thats when i realized Ahsan's improvement in his front court play

** Today again Endo/Watanabe exposed Kevin's Gideons weakness superbly. With Endo's amazing defence Kevin is not able to finish a single front court winner Have always admired the defence of Endo/Hayakawa. When you can defend against FU with such an ease, Gideon shouldn't be a problem at all

 

Lol you forgot to mention that Kevin/Marcus had just won two titles super 1000 and super 750 back to back beating Ahsan/Hendra in the final in straight sets. And guess who messed up mostly in the final?

By the way, Ahsan was partnered with Saputro and lost to Liu/Zhang in final in WC 2017.

Endo/Wata exposed nothing we had not known before. They can't even handle Li/Liu.

I hope Ko/Shin can take the title here.

 

By the way, anyone knows why they aren't playing in WC ?

 

I'd assume they weren't qualified before the cut off date? Their ranking only started shooting up a lot in the middle of the year.

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Well, I don't consider Ahsan to be in any sort of Top10 of all time, and KSS is well on his way there. We'll be able to compare at the end of their careers, but to me Ahsan got lifted massively by being paired with Hendra, and even that wasn't an immediate hit because he was so inferior (see the All England 2013 (I think? Where they played vs Liu/Qiu) as an example). He never achieved anything of note without Hendra, which is not the case the other way around......but enough of that. This isn't their thread. Let's get back to topic. Feel free to continue this discussion elsewhere and @ me, I do not intend to shut you down whilst getting in the last word

 

Sure OK!

 

ahsan (with hendra) is the reason cai is separated from fu
because caifu lose consecutively to sandra

 

Talk some sense. Li/Liu are a very good pair, and almost all the matches which Kevin Gideon won against them are so so close and somehow Kevin Gideon managed to take the 3rd set. For me they are a very very lucky pair.

Endo/Watanabe have defeated Li/Liu on so many occasions like Malaysia open and Asia Championships 2019.

**Defeating Ahsan/Setiawan when they are just playing freely without any serious training isn't a great thing. I saw how Kevin/Gideon struggled against Boe/Mogensen in the beggining, then against Han CK/Zhou HD. I am quite sure in big tournament like Olympics,HSBC, etc etc they will be kicked out by Chinese or Japanese pairs

 

Just want to clarify, ahsan/hendra are still practicing with the national team.

 

head to head marvin vs liliu
10-2
is not great vs very good
are you ok?

 

You should be the one who talk with senses and facts.

Do you need me to show you the statistics of minions vs Li/Liu's matches to see how minions had defeated the CHN in straight sets. Let's try AE 17, JO 2018 or AG 2018 team final and oh what about IO two weeks ago?
Struggled in the beginning, how are they now? Have they ever lost to Boe/Mo or Han/Zhou?

So when minions lost once or twice they are horrible pair. If other pairs lost to them multiple times, minions are just lucky. Ahsan/Hendra probably is having the best serious training in whole wide world. Even some of top pairs probably envy them for having some of the best pairs to spar and best coaches to guide them.

You even mistook Ahsan's partner in WC. Apparently you are the one who need to keep your stats and facts updated first before rambling here.

 

I heard that they declined the WC invitation? Is that true?

 

I honestly don't know. I don't keep track of ranking points for any players

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Overhyped whatever. It's your opinion. I was offended when you told me to talk senses when yourself talk nonsense.

 

Sorry for that. I did so because you said endo/watanabe cant even win against Li/Liu. Are Li/Liu such a pathetic pair like us? They do deserve respect.

 

when isn't great pair beat very good pair 10x and only lose 2x
someone should check his head
case closed

 

Huh? I don't know who you meant by "us". I surely have no chance against them.

And Endo/Wata just lost again from Li/Liu by the way.

 

Yes. The second set was very very very close 22-20 Their head to head isn't bad either. It is 4-3 now So the Japanese aren't that bad