Shuttlers list out reasons for poor performance in the Finals

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  1. pBmMalaysia

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    that's right - anticipative and natural speed as you termed them. it works only when you know your likely opponent, like team event for instance.

    players has to be cool and must have a very strong mindset as they are sort of pre-programmed to play certain tactic and so on...

    and there are risk, very high risk at stake! the outcome could be disastrous and most countries has it but whether it works that's another thing!
     
  2. jimbo

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    Good analysis. That's pretty much sum up between the TWO great players (LCW and LD). I hope you get a chance to tell Misbun and share your views.

    Technically, if a player has better anticipation, his opponent has little space/time to plan for his attack or game plan. Just watch these games (OG 2008 Final and TC2010) between the two great players, LCW's mind was obviously blank when LD upped the speed and anticipation.

    My question to Misbun: "LD did that in OG2008, why you and LCW didnt come up with a plan? Shall I say that you and LCW didnt expect LD could perform above the OG2008 level?"

    LD will not play in SG Open next month... so yeah... go ahead and win, LCW...
     
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    China has got more pressure. If they loose, imagine the whole china will be whipping them.

    As for Malaysia, they should have performed better even though they lost. The margin should be closer. But again seeing the match against japan. No eye to see. ;)
     
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    ..imo, as well as a few others have already mentioned, if LD decides to play seriously and is motivated, there's little or no plan LCW (or other players) and his coaching staff could prepare for (i'm sure they've thought abt all the possible plans to play LD)..i certainly don't think they were underestimating LD nor LCW lacked the fitness..the only thing LCW could depend on is his mental fortitude/fighting/competing spirit...that, imo, was the difference & missing in LCW's game when he played vs. LD and it was magnified in the 2nd game..either that or it was the pressure, which goes back to the mental fortitude..
     
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  5. pralinescream

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    maybe u dun understand. it is extremely difficult but of coz, good players can win it.
    to become ALL TIME GREAT, which nobody has done b4 is to hold titles 1,2,3 at the same time.
    that feat can only be surpassed if u hold 1,2,3,4 and so forth.
    but other sequence like 1,2,4 or 2,3,4,5 is not good enuff.
     
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    Al-Amin: We urgently need to unearth singles talent

    KUALA LUMPUR: The Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM), under fire after the national teams’ poor performance in the Thomas-Uber Cup Finals recently, aim to get to the basics – by focusing on the grassroots level.

    And their chance to identify, and develop, future stars will begin with the 100Plus National Circuit Grand Finals, which will be held in Kuantan from May 26-30.

    The battle among the juniors, aged between 12 years old and 18 years old, will see 340 aspiring stars in action.
    And this time, the BAM should not just stop at identifying and acknowledging those with potential.
    They must take it a step further – get the national junior coaches to monitor, groom and expose these shuttlers to competitive badminton from a young age.

    It will also be ideal to send the national elite coaches to have a glimpse of what the future has to offer so that they can give their inputs in identifying and selecting talents – especially those not from the Bukit Jalil Sports School (BJSS) fraternity.

    Yesterday, BAM vice-president Datuk Al-Amin Majid agreed that there was a serious and urgent need to uncover singles talent.
    “I agree that our junior stars have failed to make the grade when they join the senior ranks – especially the singles players,” said Al-Amin.

    “This is not so much a problem with the doubles. Chan Chong Ming, Jeremy Gan, Tan Boon Heong and Hoon Thien How have all done reasonably well in the senior ranks after winning world junior titles.

    “But we have not been that successful in the singles department. This is something we have to look into.”
    Al-Amin said that coaches had an important role to play in turning juniors into established world class players.

    “The BAM should review the roles of the coaches. We are in the midst of getting feedback after the teams’ outing at the Uber-Thomas Cup Finals. I agree that there should be discussions with coaches on how best to expose these juniors,” he said.
    Yesterday, Al-Amin, who is also the chairman of the tournament committee, thanked 100Plus for helping BAM to promote development programmes.

    “The emphasis has to be on developing younger players and we hope these junior tournaments will continue to be the stepping stones for such aspiring players,” he said.
     
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    Sayed: Target grassroots with decentralised training

    KUALA LUMPUR: To spend so much money and energy on a single centralised training centre for badminton is a grave mistake.
    And Malaysia’s Thomas-Uber Cup Finals team manager Datuk Sayed Abu Bakar Abdullah said he would push for the national body to focus more on decentralised training.

    “We have to go back to the grassroots. We have to reach out to the masses. I think every state should have an effective centralised badminton training centre,” said Sayed, who is also the president of the Badminton Association of Terengganu.

    “Currently, all the money is pumped into the elite centre here in Kuala Lumpur. The best coaches and facilities are here,” he said.

    “Funding should be given to the states to have centralised training centres. Some states depend on multi-purpose halls. And when a non-sport function takes place in the halls, the badminton training takes a break.”
     
  8. pralinescream

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    **yawn**
    tell us something which was not repeated year after year after year.
    but what happens? now we already lost to JPN, next year maybe THAI, then GERMANY then VIET, and so on so forth.

    boleh-ppl better stay home and play marbles, at least somethg.
     
  9. cooler

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    I believe any recreational players that have achieved 'B' level recognize the importance of anticipative skills.
    I am very sure that a national coach like Misbun knows the importance of this skill already. I think u would belittle him if u or pjswift told Misbun that.
    However, it is not so easily attain anticipative skills just by watching some videos of opponents nor "he can speed it up with anticipative speed`` like a speed dial as suggested by pjswift. It`s not easy, even pbM think so:p
     
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    erm
    what u want to know?
     
  11. cooler

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    Media Perspective

    Media, the fall guy for all seasons
    2010/05/25
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    Many of Britain’s most-read papers take sides and are not afraid to flaunt it. This was glaring during the recent British election. — AFP pictureBLAMING the press has replaced solitaire as the only game in town, with more thoughtless affronts coming late last week -- one from Pas in the face of a possible break-up in its Pakatan Rakyat government in Kedah, and the other from, of all people, the Malaysian badminton players who had been bundled out of the Thomas Cup on home soil.
    The Pas blame game is quite understandable because that is what they do best. But the badminton players were something else.

    They said their preparations for the competition were disrupted on many occasions by journalists seeking to interview them or record their training, and all this proved to be a distraction, hence one of the reasons they lost.


    Yeah, right. What an excuse, even if it was a line borrowed straight from Manchester United fans after the club's failure to retain the English Premier League title. But it sounded so hollow all the same, coming from the national badminton "heroes" following that dismal showing and the misplaced confidence of an all-OK earlier.


    For all you know, they will also blame the crowd for cheering too loudly while they played (also a distraction).

    Next to the weather, the press is the most convenient scapegoat for things gone wrong. It is becoming a matter of routine now that when there is a mother of all screw-ups or when somebody has to answer for something, it's the media's fault -- the easiest target, the perpetual whipping boy, the fall guy for all seasons.


    And the blame would range from being misquoted, statements taken out of context and over-blowing an issue, to being plainly baseless.

    Increase in crime, especially snatch theft? The press made it appear so.

    An election debacle? The media coverage was not fair. Or the media didn't play their part.


    An internal squabble? A diplomatic row? A boardroom tussle? The media instigated it.

    Celebrity marriage on the rocks? Public figure marrying again? Yes, blame it on the press. Shoot the messenger.

    The media have not been spared, even when it comes to the current debate raging over whether sports betting should be legalised in the country. A recent news report quoted a police officer as saying that the media were inadvertently promoting sports gambling.

    He said the extensive coverage and hype of sports these days -- especially football -- had led to a drastic increase in sports betting, And with live broadcasts of matches shown all the time, a wager or two might add excitement to the viewing of the game.

    Another example is the blame the press all over the world gets for the apparent confusion on climate change.

    Some experts have gone on record to say that journalists do not have the training, the time or the inclination to process papers and data, and so they need to ask the scientists to summarise "extremely complex information in soundbites". By doing so, the experts argue, the journalists have turned the matter into a more complex issue.

    So, there. That's the story. When the media attempt to give extensive coverage, they get the flak. Inadequate coverage, and they get the dirty end of stick as well.

    As if that's not enough, the media always come in for heavy offensives over their perceived bias towards one party or another.

    The Malaysian media -- or rather the Malaysian mainstream media in particular -- often face a barrage of assault because stories, though factually correct, do not give the slant or perspective some people want.

    When this occurs, the attack is often accompanied by words to this effect: "Why don't you be like the Western media? They are a lot freer."

    _________________ extra reading
    On this, I have to reproduce excerpts from an Associated Press article a couple of weeks ago just before the British elections:

    "Britain's general election is less than two weeks away, but it's not just the politicians and spin doctors out to sway the voters -- the country's newspaper journalists have also jumped into the fray.

    "Unlike the United States, where many print reporters aspire to a measure of objectivity and media bias is seen as corrupting, many of Britain's most-read papers take sides -- and aren't afraid to flaunt it."

    The report goes on to quote John Lloyd, a contributing editor to the Financial Times, as saying: "British papers are much more partisan than American ones. For the tabloids, it's very common (and) in the case of the other papers, you can see a bias to the left in the Guardian, and a bias to the right in the Times (of London) and the Daily Telegraph."

    The AP report continues: "That political slant was in full view on Friday, as the papers reviewed the performance of Britain's top three election candidates in their second live televised debate.

    "While commentators and academics generally said all three candidates held their own in the verbal sparring over foreign policy, you wouldn't know it from reading the papers.

    "The left-leaning Daily Mirror claimed that a 'hapless' Conservative David Cameron had flopped 'once again', while its right-leaning rival the Sun showed Cameron downing a beer to 'toast his TV win'.

    "The Times claimed Cameron had inched ahead of Nick Clegg, whose breakout performance in last week's debate blew the electoral contest wide open. The Guardian, meanwhile, said Clegg had won."

    Citing the above passage is by no means an attempt to justify media bias -- it's just a reality check.



    Read more: Media, the fall guy for all seasons http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/17press/Article/index_html#ixzz0ovAZJwqQ
     
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    Cooler, don't fool around with the media. We are no match for them. They have the whole world as their stage with one-way news dessimination. We have just this forgotten corner of the world to curse and swear and even then some listeners talk back.
    Just imagine, the Press can destroy a life but can you destroy the Press?
     
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    LinDan was just letting LCW playing "LCW's" game and turn it to LinDan's advantage.. In fact there is nothing special about LInDan during that match. Only special was his speed and anticipation skills. Yes i agree that LCW's mind went blank. He just can't find any hole in LinDan's wall of defense. Something that LCW may want to learn.

    The tables are turn.. conventional methodology may not be effective. "The Thing" indeed is a genius.
     
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    i only googled, cut and pasted lah.
     
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    that's because nothing special offered by LCW.
    why engage his(LD) special 5th and 6th gears and when 3rd gear is suffice???
    Like i said before, the LD vs taufik match was more interesting to watch.
     
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    Lindan was more concern about LCW's match. He is tuned against LCW. Taufik is below his class level.
     
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    "The Thing" is as genius as the "Special One"? haha...

    China has "The Thing"...
    Inter has the "Special One"...
    Msia has... errr... "Boleh lah"...
     
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    Seriously, that information is outdated. As of AE2009, LD did not seem to have any problems with very long rallies. If you watch LD's 1st set with TH in TC2010, you will realise how patient he has become.
     
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    yup, some experts out there think they know how to beat lin dan.
    About 2 years ago when LD already got LCW's number, i remembered xball said LD is winning over LCW because LD is employing attacking style of play and LCW should start attacking more like LD. Whomever launch the first attack gets the edge over his opponent. Well, we all know how that went and now he's doing a 180 degree turn on his recommendation. LD would loves to rallies with lcw becoz LD would expend less energy to earn points from lcw's unforced errors. If not, then it still open up room for LD to attack.
     
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