The change in men’s doubles

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  1. Cheung

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    Anybody following BWF channel total recall?

    Its great they put up the 1983 and 1985 men’s doubles finals. In those two short years, the men’s doubles game totally changed
     
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    I did. I enjoy vintage matchss quite a lot. It helps me catch up with badminton history/culture.

    Is this change due to a breakthrough in racket technology? A different approach towards the sport (physical training or new tactics) or something else?
     
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    Koreans new approach to the game. Furthering the 3-strokes fundamentals and much improved defence and counter-attack.
     
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    It took nearly six years for Indonesian men's doubles to catch up.
     
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    equipment wise probably carbon graphite shafts were more popular though still traditional T joint design

    Park and Kim were using the old carbonex 9 2U. It had a very sturdy metal frame. 1985 was the first year a fully integrated T piece Carbon graphite racquet was released. I don’t think China team had started using it yet.

    yonex BG 65 had been released around that time, maybe a year earlier. I know Park used to ask for stringing tensions at 30lbs. He was the first player to ask for such high tensions. Not sure exactly what year he started asking for those tensions but it must have been after BG65 has been released. None of the other strings at the time were as robust as BG65. Catgut string was still available those days.

    However, exactly as @viver describes, there was a big change in the tactics and as we see in the video fitness and speed. Mid court pushes after serve to try and get the lifts plus counter attacks and very fast into the net positions.
     
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    The Korean players introduced new technical aspects into the game, mostly in the doubles area.
    First was the serve. After banning the spinning serve in 1982 (if not mistaken about the date), the Koreans introduced the "tumbling serve" which made it hard to play a good "second stroke". The Koreans also improved the attack with different variations, but the bigger improvement was the defence area. One of the strategies in badminton is to make your opponent lift the shuttle in order to allow you to attack, the Koreans were excellent at returning the smashes "flat" and engaging the opponents with the flat exchanges. One can try to find matches between Li Yongbo and Tian Bingyi vs Park Joo Bong and Kim Min Soo. You'll find Li, the smasher often gave up clear attacking opportunities and would hit back with a deep clear to the baseline.
     
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    Looking at the singles games BWF put up on those years, Is a change of grip used for forehand overheads noticeable to you on the videos they put up of singles matches? (contrasting 1983 or 1985 to today) ? (If you'd like I could make that a separate thread.. but i'm interested in your input re that 'cos you might know something about the subject). I'm extremely interested in if you can show with an image / timeframe.
     
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    PJB/KMS revolutionize how double's should be played offensively during those time. Remember seeing them playing live here against Malaysia's famous sidek brothers, Razif /Jalani Sidek in the 1989 Malays1a Open Final. Was just 17 y.o that time. Just awesome. No wonder they have a 81% success rate in all finals they have entered in their 8 years playing together. They left a foot print which all double players are currently following now. It's a similar scenario when Heryanto Arbi first came into the circuit back in the early 90's. He changed everything about jumping smash.
     
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    Is the jump smash a big game changer in terms of tactics for example, with a jump smash, is an attack almost always stronger than the defense of smash. And so prior to or without a jump smash, were attacking clears far more common?
     
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    Offensive and defensive has it's own advantage. In doubles, we all know that being constantly on the offensive side has a much greater chances of winning a point. However in singles, it's not as straight forward like that. You only attack when you have the opportunity. If that opportunity is not planned right then your opponent defense/return could be a far better strategy to win him a point.
     
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    My question is re doubles and the impact of jump smash on tactics specifically on the choice of which attacking shot is played, or was played prior to the development of the jump smash
     

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