The Entry List of INDONESIA Open SS Premier 2013

Discussion in 'Thailand / Indonesia / Singapore Open 2013' started by CLELY, May 10, 2013.

  1. speedyambarish

    speedyambarish Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2011
    Messages:
    232
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    UK
    Would be a bit embarrassing for Taufik to lose to LD after his long 'vacation' and on his last tournament but I'm looking forward to it nonetheless (assuming LD gets through qualification).
     
  2. Justin L

    Justin L Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2011
    Messages:
    49,974
    Likes Received:
    3,391
    Location:
    Citizen of The World
    A tough hard luck draw for Lee CW, Lin Dan and WZM too.

    Assuming Lin Dan clears the qualifying rounds against Kento Momota and S Praneeth/Scot Evans, he's up against old foe Taufik Hidayat in R1 before likely facing his archrival Lee CW in R2 who himself may not have it easy vs Wang Zhengming in R1. Can't get any worse than that for all three or four of them as far as the luck of the draw is concerned.

    There is Chen Yuekun but no Gao Huan, Tian Houwei ,Xue Song or Qiao Bin. I suppose the latter three have to wait their turns to be upgraded to Superseries level by CBA with so many of their more established seniors around.

    Also not a good spread for the CHN WS with WSX alone in the bottom half whilst LXR, Han Li, WYH and Sun Yu whose R2 opponent is most probably LXR, in the top. How is Sun Yu ever going to progress far at SS/PSS level? This isn't the first time she has to face LXR in the early rounds. Sun Yu will have to try her best to win a couple more of GPGs to improve her ranking then. Btw, her R1 opponent here, Pai HM, is no easy meat either.
     
  3. 2cents

    2cents Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2003
    Messages:
    2,263
    Likes Received:
    2
    Occupation:
    Landlording, providing vacation homes at Disney wo
    Location:
    Vacation Home @ Disney World
    The ranking points look absurd:

    Shen Ye only played with Hong Wei, but Hong Wei also played Chai Biao.

    Guo ZD only played with CB while CB played with HW, LXL, ZN.

    Most important, Hong Wei/Chai Biao won 2 gold titles, hold 100% perfect winning streak so far.

    How come the ranking system gives SY/GZD 43174 notional points while HW/CB only 28000. This ridiculous ranking system only punishes perfect wins.

    Now SY/GZD is enjoying the main draw at Ina open, while HW/CB have to play Qualification, unseeded (even without any hope to be promoted).
     
  4. mr.bulutangkis

    mr.bulutangkis Regular Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2010
    Messages:
    1,250
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Asia
    CMIIW...

    The notion point for "new" pair is calculated from mixing of individual points.
    A pair is only considered "new" when they have played just less than twice.

    while, the seeding of pair who have played twice and more is determined by their real ranking point.
    still, if player played less than 8 times, the ranking point is multiplied with a coefficient.
    (applied also for single event)

    Guo Zhendong / Shen Ye will play their first time international tournament (within last 12 months) in this INA SSP.
    So, their notion point is mixing of individual point (taken from best ranking if he ever played with multiple partner before).
    SY's individual point is taken from his pair with Hong Wei (which is good enough).
    GZD's individual point is taken from his pair with Biao Chai.

    On the other hand, Biao Chai / Hong Wei have their real ranking point.
    Still only playing twice, they do not have big enough point (after multiplied with a coefficient) to qualify in main draw.
     
  5. rosid

    rosid Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2009
    Messages:
    2,142
    Likes Received:
    0
    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    Yogyakarta, Indonesia
    why do you need to answer him? he is too lazy to do "googling":)
     
  6. 2cents

    2cents Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2003
    Messages:
    2,263
    Likes Received:
    2
    Occupation:
    Landlording, providing vacation homes at Disney wo
    Location:
    Vacation Home @ Disney World
    thanks for your help, but I still don't understand. HW/CB also have notional points, but only 28000. Their real point 140000 doesn't seem get multiplied by a factor. Could you give me the real formula with data to calculate the points? Thanks
     
  7. 2cents

    2cents Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2003
    Messages:
    2,263
    Likes Received:
    2
    Occupation:
    Landlording, providing vacation homes at Disney wo
    Location:
    Vacation Home @ Disney World
    There's no way to google the points calculation. I bet you don't know how those points got calculated either.

    Even I finally understand how it's calculated, the calculation foundation is still wrong, because simply, there's no any logic reason to rank SY/GZD so higher than HW/CB, just because HW/CB won 2 tournaments in a row without any loss.
     
  8. well-son

    well-son Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2007
    Messages:
    819
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Earth
    If their real point is 140,000 then they would be World #0, above World #1 :D
     
  9. 2cents

    2cents Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2003
    Messages:
    2,263
    Likes Received:
    2
    Occupation:
    Landlording, providing vacation homes at Disney wo
    Location:
    Vacation Home @ Disney World
    that's a typo. it's 14,000 = 7,000 (Germany title) + 7,000 (Swiss title)

    only 6 tournaments have 11200, the max points = 6* 11200 + 4*9200 = 104,000.

    thanks for the correction though :)
     
    #29 2cents, May 30, 2013
    Last edited: May 30, 2013
  10. mr.bulutangkis

    mr.bulutangkis Regular Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2010
    Messages:
    1,250
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Asia
    imho, it's not straightforward. I just try to help with my understanding :)


    still CMIIW..
    another rule for notional point
    the maximum value of multiplier coefficient is 2.
    so that, HW/CB only get 28000 right now.

    the case of HW/CB having to play from qualification round (in their 3rd appearance as a pair) is the same with:
    Ma Jin / Tang Jinhua
    Lee Yong Dae / Sung Hyun Ko
    several months ago.
     
    #30 mr.bulutangkis, May 30, 2013
    Last edited: May 30, 2013
  11. 2cents

    2cents Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2003
    Messages:
    2,263
    Likes Received:
    2
    Occupation:
    Landlording, providing vacation homes at Disney wo
    Location:
    Vacation Home @ Disney World
    thanks

    checking Chai Biao/Hong Wei's Notional ranking
    Ranking of 2013-9: their notional ranking point was 43964; they never played together
    Ranking of 2013-10: after they played the first won the Germany title, their notional ranking point dropped to 14000.

    Who invented this "Notional Ranking"? His brain seemed damaged. ;)
     

Share This Page