the sky is falling!!!

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    Don't worry abt it, big spending will solve the current problem..yeah..

    ..but, but, but one Mr. T suggests that what the current administration in Washington D.C. is doing the correct & wise thing. That is to continue the big spending....increase the federal deficit and debt..

    Btw, the Commerce Department recently said that the economy under President O-Blame-A is the worst in 50 years!! As a matter of fact the U.S. has not arrested the sharp decline of the economy, and yes, things are very bad. And guess what, I don’t think we’ve touched bottom yet and I don’t believe the recession is over. We might see a small improvement in the economy but most likely what's going to follow is another steep decline. Speaking of the U.S.’ AAA rating and its drop in the value of the dollar versus the euro over the past few days, I don’t think we’ve seen the worst of it yet.

    I think it's time to look for work in Dubai...[​IMG]
     
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    this recovery is lead by inventing gov't jobs, not jobs from private sector, which will eventually doom because gov't jobs don't create real value. The private jobs that gov'ts created costed us a bundle.


    Friday, May 29, 2009
    $1.4 million per job saved: Cheaper than letting GM fail?

    The Globe and Mail is reporting on the new cost estimates of the auto sector bailout bill, which could be as large as $13.5 billion dollars(Canada's share). What kind of cost is that putting on taxpayers - many of whom don't have the high wages or padded benefits packages that autoworkers enjoy?

    At General Motors of Canada Ltd. alone, the rescue package could amount to a staggering $1.4-million for every job saved, with no guarantee that the bailout will ensure the long-term survival of the company's remaining auto assembly and engine plants.

    You read that right - GM alone will cost taxpayers $1.4 million per job.

    What's worse is that it's awfully hard to believe that these bailouts actually create or save any jobs at all.

    “You're not going to save jobs. All you are going to do is destroy jobs at Ford and Toyota,” said Mark Milke, director of research at the Frontier Centre for Public Policy in Calgary.

    Mr. Milke dismisses the bailouts of GM and Chrysler as “a massive transfer of wealth to companies that consumers have already rejected.” The result, he maintains, is that governments “are punishing the companies that have actually run their businesses very well.”

    More evidence that when government gets involved in business it's no longer "give the customers what they want," it's "make them pay for what they don't."
     
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    cost to by entire GM is 457 million shares X 1.5$/share last week = $685 million

    obama and harper paid $60 billion to get just a portion of GM
     
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    Might as well call it, Obama Motors..

    Mr. BO denied that the government would run the company in a hands-on way. But his administration will now be in a position dictate what cars to make, where to make them and how to market them—and it seems likely that politics, not business sense, will motivate these decisions.
    General Motors faces a "myriad of inherent new conflicts as the Obama administration now becomes GM's regulator, tax collector, customer, lender, and owner."

    What's next? Healthcare industry??..
     
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    Mr. BO denied that the government would run the company in a hands-on way. But his administration will now be in a position dictate what cars to make, where to make them and how to market them—and it seems likely that politics, not business sense, will motivate these decisions.
    Guess what, he has already told every one that they have to make small car that is more fuel efficient and Garbage Motor and Crysler does not know how to make without loss money.
    General Motors faces a "myriad of inherent new conflicts as the Obama administration now becomes GM's regulator, tax collector, customer, lender, and owner."
    Judge and executioner?
    What's next? Healthcare industry??..
    He is starting already and we are going down...
     
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    We've predicted bankruptcy was the best solution. After wasting tons of money and time, the inevitable happened.

    Now the new spin is that new GM & Chrysler will have a new start.
    Unless there is a mass exodus of people dumping their existing trucks, suv and cars, the small cars sales will not be flying out the door. Beside, small car profit margin is tiny, banking on small car sales to save a company is totally ROFL to me. I guess they have to start somewhere since Olds, Pontiac are toasted. Hummer sold to the chinese, Saturn and Saab are next on the chopping block. I heard the chevy Volt at 30K is not profitable either, analysts said GM could use Volt as a lost leader. I thot the whole GM / Chrysler companies are lost leaders.

    I do feel warm and cozy knowing that my truck is now warrantied by the government of canada. The down side is my tax bill:(
     
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    GM to sell Hummer to Chinese company
    By TOM KRISHER and BREE FOWLER, AP Auto Writers Tom Krisher And Bree Fowler, Ap Auto Writers 1 hr 18 mins ago
    DETROIT – General Motors Corp. took a key step toward its downsizing on Tuesday, striking a tentative deal to sell its Hummer brand to a Chinese manufacturer, while also revealing that it has potential buyers for its Saturn and Saab brands.

    China's Sichuan Tengzhong Heavy Industrial Machinery Co. said Tuesday afternoon that it reached an agreement to acquire the brand from GM for an undisclosed ammount. The Detroit automaker had announced Tuesday morning that it had a memorandum of understanding to sell the brand of rugged SUVs, but it didn't identify the buyer.

    Sichuan Tengzhong deals in road construction, plastics, resins and other industrial products, but Hummer would be its first step into the automotive business.

    GM said the sale will likely save more than 3,000 U.S. jobs in manufacturing, engineering and at various Hummer dealerships. Tengzhong said it will assume GM's existing agreements with Hummer dealers.

    "We will be investing in the Hummer brand and its research and development capabilities, which will allow Hummer to better meet demand for new products such as more fuel-efficient vehicles in the U.S," Chief Executive Yang Yi said in a statement.

    As part of the proposed transaction, Hummer will continue to contract vehicle manufacturing and business services from GM during a transitional period. For example, GM's Shreveport, La., assembly plant would continue to contract to assemble the H3 and H3T through at least 2010, GM said. AM General LLC in Mishawaka, Ind., makes the larger H2 under contract for GM.

    Hummer will keep its existing management team and remain based in the United States, the companies said. Tengzhong said it expects to expand the brand's dealer network worldwide, including to China.

    "GM is close to a sale of its Hummer brand, which is good news for the 3,000 Americans who will be able to keep their jobs, the two American plants that will remain open and the more than 100 Hummer dealers that should be able to stay in business all around the country," White House spokesman Bill Burton said earlier in the day.

    On Monday, the Shreveport plant, which has about 800 workers, escaped being among 12 plants that GM said would be shut down by next year. The plant, which employed 3,000 several years ago, also produces Chevrolet and GMC pickups.

    Johnny Bell, 59, who has worked at GM for 28 years, said many workers are still concerned about the plant's long-term future.

    "Good news is good news, but we want all the news," he said. "We're concerned about what happens after 2010."

    Morgan Johnson, head of the United Auto Workers local at the plant, said GM indicated to the union that pickup assembly would continue in Shreveport through 2012.

    "We're just happy that the doors are still open considering all the plant closings," said Sharon Brock, 52, who has worked at the sprawling plant for 26 years.

    GM also said Tuesday that it has 16 buyers interested in purchasing its Saturn brand, while three parties are interested in the Swedish Saab brand.

    Chief Financial Officer Ray Young told reporters and industry analysts on a conference call that GM is continuing to pursue manufacturing agreements with a new Saturn buyer.

    GM would like to sell the money-losing Saturn brand's dealership network, contracting with the new buyer to make some of its cars while the buyer gets other vehicles from different manufacturers.

    At the same time, bridge loan discussions with the Swedish government are progressing, Young said.

    GM, which filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in New York on Monday, is racing to remake itself as a smaller, leaner automaker. In addition to its plan to sell the Hummer, Saab and Saturn brands, GM will also phase out its Pontiac brand, concentrating on its Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick and GMC nameplates.

    The company hopes to follow the lead of fellow U.S. automaker Chrysler LLC by transforming its most profitable assets into a new company in just 30 days and emerging from bankruptcy protection soon after.

    But GM is much larger and complex than its Auburn Hills-based rival and isn't up against Chrysler's tight June 15 deadline to close its deal with Fiat Group SpA.

    Sharon Lindstrom, managing director at business consulting firm Protiviti, said the companies pose different challenges. But as with Chrysler, she notes that the Treasury Department made sure many of GM's moving parts were in order ahead of time so a quick bankruptcy reorganization might be possible.

    "They had a lot of their ducks in a row because the terms of the government financing forced them to get all the parties to the table in a very, very short period of time," Lindstrom said.

    Separately, the German government said Tuesday it paid out the first euro300 million ($425 million) in bridge loans to GM's Adam Opel GmbH division. The loans are part of a deal to shrink GM's stake in Opel and shield it from GM's bankruptcy protection filing in the U.S.

    Canadian auto supplier Magna International Inc. and Russian-owned Sberbank will acquire 55 percent of Opel.

    A sale of the Hummer brand had been expected. Chief Executive Fritz Henderson had said in April that the automaker was expecting final bids from three potential buyers within the month.

    Eric Lane, vice president of Baton Rouge, La.-based Gerry Lane Enterprises, which has four dealerships — including one offering Hummers — welcomed the sale.

    Lane said a lack of new products and the recession figured into the Hummer equation much more than last year's runup in gasoline prices. "I haven't had a single owner complain about mileage. Nobody buys a Hummer because of the gas. You don't buy a vehicle for $60,000 and worry about the price of gas."

    Critics had seized on the rugged but fuel-inefficient Hummer as a symbol of excess as GM's financial troubles grew and gas prices rose. Sales at Hummer, which is known for models with military-vehicle roots, have been in a steep slide since gasoline prices rose to record heights last summer. For the first five months of this year, Hummer sales are down 64 percent.

    GM nailed down deals with its union and a majority of its bondholders and arranged the Opel deal in order to appear in court Monday with a near-complete plan to quickly emerge with a chance to become profitable.

    The government has said it expects GM to come out of bankruptcy protection within 60 to 90 days. By comparison, the judge overseeing Chrysler's case approved the sale of its assets to a group led by Italy's Fiat in just over a month. Some industry observers think Chrysler could emerge as early as this week.

    During Monday's hearing, GM attorney Harvey Miller stressed the magnitude of the case and the importance of moving GM through court oversight as fast as possible. He noted that the automaker only has about $2 billion in cash left.

    "If there's going to be a recovery of value, it's absolutely crucial that a sale take place as soon as possible," Miller said in his opening statement.

    The automaker wants to sell the bulk of its assets to a new company in which the U.S. government will take a 60 percent ownership stake. The Canadian government would take 12.5 percent of the "New GM," with the United Auto Workers union getting 17.5 percent and unsecured bondholders receiving 10 percent. Existing shareholders are expected to be wiped out.

    U.S. Judge Robert Gerber moved swiftly through more than 25 mostly procedural motions during the automaker's first-day Chapter 11 hearing.

    Gerber set GM's sale hearing for June 30, putting it on a path similar to that of Chrysler. Objections are due on June 19, with any competing bids required to be submitted by June 22.

    Gerber also gave GM immediate access to $15 billion in government financing to get it through the next few weeks, and interim approval for use of a total $33.3 billion in financing, with final approval slated to be ruled on June 25. The funds are contingent on GM's sale being approved by July 10. Gerber also approved motions allowing the company to pay certain prebankruptcy wages, along with supplier and shipping costs.

    The sheer size of GM makes it a more complicated case than Chrysler.

    GM made twice as many vehicles as Chrysler's 1.5 million last year and employs 235,000 people compared with Chrysler's 54,000. GM also has plants and operations in many more countries, meaning it will likely have to strike separate deals to navigate the bankruptcy laws of those places.

    Henderson said GM has learned a few things by watching Chrysler's case.

    "Certainly the court showed that it can address 363 (sale) transactions in an expeditious fashion," Henderson said at a news conference Monday. "Particularly in our case with what will be a very large 363 transaction."

    GM's filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection is the largest ever for an industrial company. GM, which said it has $172.81 billion in debt and $82.29 billion in assets, had received about $20 billion in low-interest loans before entering bankruptcy protection.
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    The Terminator will be driving a chinese truck:D
     
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    Garbage Management and Crys-ler are lost leader. We have a leader who is lost... Totally clueless. 150,000 job saved? How about the 15.000 jobs for the Hummer after 2010?
     
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    One more thing, no housing recovery. Mortgage rate is going up...
     
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    Yeah, if we don't see housing recovery, we are not at the bottom yet.

     
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    Housing recovered. ;) Bumpy of course.
     
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    Another stimulus bill is on the way..

    ..wait, the “jolt” that the Anointed One aka Mr. Yes We Can had thought would come from the increased stimulus spending seems to have caused even more damage. The other day, Bloomberg News reported that the dollar had weakened to near record lows compared to the euro. In the wake of a weakening dollar, Russia and other countries have started to look toward alternative currencies to fund their main reserves. The world is losing faith in America's ability to pay its obligations and our President just announced another $450 billion highway bill. Spending is out of control and our dollar is paying the price.
    Can we all say "Inflation is here"..
    ..not on his watch..;)
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Geithner-faces-sluggish-apf-15419661.html?.v=6
     
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    ^^Ermm..^^

    ..that video is from last yr (December)..:p

    Here's the latest news:
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/19/housing-construction-drops-record-low-april/
    (Starting to bottom out, the projection is of early next spring to see some light/recovery in the housing slide)..

    Some videos to share on the U.S. housing industry..Quite compelling...Have we (the Americans) learned anything from the housing boom & bust??..looks like not really:
    http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/22419003/where-to-next.htm#q=housing
    http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/22408353/starts-at-home.htm#q=housing
    http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/22413153/what-goes-up.htm#q=housing (watch the part on Barney Frank)
     
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    Unemployment number is going up..

    New unemployment data will be released tomorrow and most experts believe the number will climb to 9.2%, yes, 9.2%. And that’s based on government figures. Given the number of folks not filing claims, and dropping off the rolls, the number is likely far higher-- so much for Mr. BO's stimulus plan. Mr. BO originally said that the stimulus package would give a “jolt” to the economy. However, once details of the bill were revealed, it quickly became clear that it was not the panacea for the ailing economy. The “spending” package was meant less for economic recovery and more for the expansion of government power in the American people's lives. This year alone, **without** spending all of the stimulus money, Prez BO's administration has quadrupled the deficit. The era of big government has arrived. USA Today reports that the recession is driving the U.S. safety net of government benefits to a historic high, as one out of every six dollars of American income is now in the form of a federal/state check or voucher.

    10% unemployment coming up on the horizon??..:(
     
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    Sooner it get to 12%, sooner the recovery start...
     
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    The sooner we see all the craps come out, the sooner is the recovery. :D

     
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    1 good news and 1 WTF news.
    Good news is. There will be an American car worth to buy in the near future. "Saturn". Why? Pensky is buying Saturn from GM. A great guy who want to win and know how to win. Got a great team working for him too. I have no doubt that Pensky will turn the Saturn image and make it into a exciting car to drive.
    The WTF news.
    Woohoo! the number of job cut is slowing. Only the gov will look at this as a good news. Here is the problem currently company XXX has 1,000 job. Last month, it cut 100 job. A 10% of work force. This month, it cut another 90 job. WOW, the job cut is slowing down! Take a look, it is still cutting work force at 10%. Next month, it is planing to cut 82 job. Great! less job lost! If you look into it, it cut 10.1%.

    Sooner or later, there will be no job to cut because the company will be closed and the job loss will be 0.
     
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    This swine flu thingy could make the sky fall again. ;)
     
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    We know the pig can fly already...
     
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