Things you hate about badminton!

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  1. patrickshum

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    one thing i hate about badminton is that, sometimes, the more you play, the better you want to get, you just play worse!!
     
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    Everyone can have good or bad days. Also, certain mix of old (maybe wrong, or bad habits) and new (good, useful tactic) tricks together, the initial steps are difficult. Since u have to adopt to the new form, well "filtering out" the junks.

    However, in a long run, hard work + good determination of improvement should help us to get to another level.
     
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    Things I hate about badders...

    probably a repeat, but my two penneth....

    1. Fun/Club play partners who huff and blow and curse under their breath and give out unsolicited advice but not from a friendly perspective. Hey, it's a game, no one's losing money on the game. I'll get better given the time, don't embarrass me to the point I don't return, Superman.

    People who smash and give ridiculous returns while WARMING UP... has the competition started already? Prove yourself in the actual match not the warm up, Ego Boy.

    That there aren't any retail outlets in my Dallas area. Thank gawd for the internet.

    T-Shirt and other apparel mark-up in sports stores.
     
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    This Got To Be The Funniest Thread.......

    I have read so far!! Hands down.
    I have seen & experience almost all the stuff mentioned...and also dished out some of the stuff.
    Isn't badminton great?
     
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    Being in the same team as my ma and pa - and having to play with them in competitive matches, being blamed for losing points when it is their fault that i end up under pressure and running round like a headless chicken to save their mistakes. and then coming home and talking about the matches over and over and over again.... GRRRRRR!!!
     
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    Yes the UK and it's old style approach stinks big time.

    I know of an open club formed by the city council where the members somehow elected themselvs to a board and passed judgement on all the players and asked a few if they would kindly mind not coming back.

    I took great pride when I closed it down!!

    As a whole every club I have been to has problems with pretentious players whose skill is far beneath their assumed ability and as a coach you can watch and pick apart their game and it still amazes me that if you play and they lose they make up silly excuses like I just re-gripped. Well if you can't play after re-gripping your racket then don't play until you can! I've just got new shoes, well don't wear them to play until you have broken them in properly!

    Simple really I would think.
     
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    Hmmm, one thing I noticed about most of dudes from badminton clubs: They are snobbish.

    They think they are so good and all that. They dont even bother play with you just because you are not in a club.

    Thats why I prefer to play with old people as they tend to be more friendly. I think That's pretty much all I hate about badminton. :p
     
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    It's a pity that nobody else can appreciate the irony of Dill's post on delusions of grandeur; in any case, one of the most irrating aspects of badminton clubs in the UK is the practise of excluding new members - whether from conversations, games or even the club itself - not on the basis of ability (which would be harsh, but understandable) but because they don't immediately fit in to a club, which on account of its exclusivist nature, tends not to be recepetive to new members.

    Those who actively participate in making new members feel isolated and unwelcome tend to be older, well-established members who have long remained at the same level and are unlikely to improve much; they also tend to have quite poor technique, but having learnt a wide range of strokes by rote, win points (and apparently esteem) by a graceless form of consistency. While the immediate feeling for someone who experiences such treatment would probably be to go away, train and come back much better, this is often not practicable, as there are very few clubs just below County standard and they all tend to be much the same in this respect. And so, it is perhaps more wise simply to put up with it, and look upon it as a transitional phase, until one can join better clubs.



     
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    A simple solution for the snobbish nature (which should be differentiated from elitism, and which, judging by Wizbit's initial post and by similar posts of others, is quite widespread) of most mid-standard clubs would be to have a coach present; however in Scotland at least , coaches tend only to be present at intermediate clubs or in National or University squads.
     
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    What I hate is...

    ...the fact that only 4 people can play in one game at any given point. I find with a large group of friends, it's not really a social game, since it can't accomodate all of us, so we go play ultimate instead.

    As well, I think badminton is probably one of the only games at my university where the number of people waiting for a game is more than the number of people actually playing :eek:
     
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    People hates uncertainty...

    Agreed with Dill and Ynexfan2003. The game is perfect, the only problems I had with the game are absence of organization in clubs and people with bad attitudes.

    As for badder cliquiness, it has more to do with how much people are willing to reach out of their cosy comfort zone and include new people. Whenever I join a new club, it usually takes me awhile to play with the core regulars. When the more competitive regulars get comfortable to me socially, they'll ask me to join in more often. For newcomers, they have to be assertive and not wait for others to ask them to join in. Just be friendly, mingle and ask for games.

    It makes sense to be selective about playing partners and opposition. It's no fun for everybody involved if the group is too unbalance in skill level and expectation. If newcomers have adequate skills, they'll fit in faster. There's no way around it. Either be a good player or a good-looking chick if you want good players to play with you:D.
     
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    Some people who do that are correct! You are allowed to hit the shuttle twice with one stroke. One of the things I hate is when people call "no shot" for one of my strokes like this. You are not, of course, allowed to sling the shuttle.


    Oh, boo-hoo-hoo. It must be so annoying playing against people with poor technique, especially if they beat you.
     
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    something i hate is when all my clears end up going out......hehe...or is that just my own problem? hehe...people who ask you "do you want to play sides or front and back?" and also people who, if i have lifted the shuttle at the front, and get ready to receive a smash still stand there behind me:)

    also people who complain about nylon shuttles :D j/k......they are just much more economical here in the UK, the Yonex Mavis 300/370 are pretty good, people can play good control, net shots with them, so they are not all useless:)
     
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    First of all, I'm surprised by how much some people hate playing with beginners (or even intermediate club players). Yeah, you might not get a game, you might not even get a single good rally, but from the beginner's point of view, you can give them a really good learning experience. I belong to several different clubs, and a couple have very wide differences in levels, from beginners to U18 national players. I may only have to play 1 or 2 games with beginners in a session, but I always try to play to keep the rallies going and to push the beginners quite hard. Of course, you can kill everything at the net or smash hard knowing they won't be able to return it, but what good does that do anyone? Usually, beginners are not used to rallies lasting more than 5-10 shots, so if you can keep it going longer by playing slightly easier shots for them to reach, they can get more practice at longer rallies, improve their footwork, etc. Same for mixed, when I play with a lady player who is not my mixed team partner and who is not a competitive player, I usually ask if we can play level doubles so that she gets just as much time hitting from the back of the court. I'm sure she wants to improve her game as well and will enjoy it a lot more than if she was just stuck at the net the whole game.

    What I really hate is when I see strong players playing with 'lesser' players, and the strong players make it obvious that they are not interested in the game - they don't keep score, they look at what's happening on other courts, they have their racket down and feet flat in a 'I don't care' pose for most of the game. It's just so ill-mannered if nothing else.

    Oh, and I do HATE the snobbery of elitist private clubs, but must admit I have played in plenty of them as a guest and I LUUURRVE purpose-built badminton courts with specialist lighting and floors. It's like heaven... If I ever win the lottery the first thing on my shopping list is that Yonex court mat...
     
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    I, too, am appalled at how much some people can't stand playing with beginners like david14700. part of being a true athlete is helping those that are just beginning and give them a good impression of the sport. those who pound the shuttle down and look around like they don't care when they're playing with beginners are arrogant, and are probably not that great themselves. the best players would not do that.

    i understand and agree with the fact that if you want to improve, you play people better than you, it was stated on the first page of this thread. mind you, (i think this was stated as well), those beginners are definitely going to improve by playing with a good player and as a better player who was once a beginner, i think it's pretty selfish if you do not play with a beginner who wants you to play with him/her or make it look like you are so much better than they are because they will simply be turned off by the sport.

    we were all beginners at one point, none of us were born with some kind of natural ability to play the sports, you don't need to be a rocket scientist or a nuclear physicist to know that.

    on to other things:

    about the issue of shouting, some players just do that to pump them up. i do it all the time, it pumps me up, there is nothing wrong with it and there are no rules against it unless it goes excess.

    nylon shuttles suck!! i totally agree with Phil on this one, they move so much differently than feather shuttles and almost everyone can make a good or okay backhand shot without much technique using a plastic shuttle. :D one time, this guy said that he was going to propose an idea to IBF to save money by switching to plastic birds, i laughed my head off sooo hard!! imagine pro badminton with nylon shuttles!!!

    hypnoweb, people who smash like crazy and try to act all good in warm up are just going to tire themselves out, that is stupid of them to be playing like that and it's only going to work in your favour in the match when you are playing them, so it's all good isn't it? :p

    Just my two cents.


     
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    I once asked a person in trades how much it would cost to turn my basement into one badminton court, he said without the court, just lowering and such, it would cost $50,000!

    if i win loterry, i'll do that right away and all you Toronto BF'ers are welcome at my place, LOL :D
     
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    agree. in fact, i quite enjoy playing with beginners, but especially the ones who are moving into intermediate level. i find that players at this level are usually the ones who work hard in their game and also friendly at the same time. they will try hard to attempt all shots, although they don't always have the best returns, they can keep a good rally going and they don't give up. if they lose, they won't hold any grudge and smiles.

    in general, i like most of their attitude. sure, i can beat them if i really want to, but i try to prolong the rally without being arrogant about it. i also partner with janet who's also at the same level but a girl. so the combination works quite well.

    i also noticed that somehow when one moves into the intermediate and beyond, they grow too competitive and starts to grow an attitude. perhaps that's a phase that ppl go into.
     
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    Yup I have noticed this as well, once they improve a bit they seem to think they are better than most other players and have an air of arrogance about them.

    As a coach I like playing with beginners because if you help them you can avoid them making bad habits at the start of their playing duration but you need to strike a good balance if you give them too much they will either turn into a sponge sucking information out of you and never stop asking questions or resenting your help. :rolleyes: Sometimes it's difficult to win.

    Best thing is to give a few pointers and leave it at that.
     
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    Sounds like most people hate playing with intermediate players rather than beginners! :D

    At VRC, perhaps because of the wide spectrum of skill levels there, one of the tactics all the intermediate players develop and deploy is isolation. Some players want to win so badly that they use nothing but isolation from game to game. If you're playing in a game with weaker players, you most likely will end up just standing there looking really bored, watching the other courts, and looking rather arrogant whether you want to or not because your opponents will do anything to keep the shuttle away from you :D. Sure it's a good tactic for tournament play but when you're just out there to have some fun, it gets old really fast. Perhaps it's partly why I've heard people say the atmosphere at VRC is "too competitive".
     
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    It happened to me a few times... I was the stronger player of the group and basically had to poach for my shots. If they knew me well, I won't even get a single shot if they didn't have to serve to me:mad:.

    Playing with newbies, I would try to hasten the agony... deploying fast clears and drops with a rare occasional smash. Ironically, I kept better track of the scores when I played with newbies than with experienced players:p. As for this practice being cruel to newbies and low intermediates, I don't think it's any fun if any of us are not having fun. If I give advice to them, they'll resent me. If I slow down my pace for them, my form will suffer and bad habits reinforced:(. It's a no-win situation for all parties involved. Skill level discrepancies within the group can't be too wide if a decent game is to be played.

     
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