Too flat smashes

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  1. Abdullah Ahmad AAK

    Abdullah Ahmad AAK Regular Member

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    yes by wrist angle I mean that.

    this is how I hold my racket subconsciously for any forehand overhead without having to think about it. is this the correct forehand grip or is there some deviation?

    1- my fingers are wrapped loosely around the handle
    2- my index finger's middle section is in contact with racket handle
    3- the middle-section of my thumb's side and bottom is in contact with the handle

    while swinging and tightening grip, it often feels that my index finger is useless as it slides off from the handle, leading to a tight grip on racket but the index finger is now making contact with handle at base of the finger.

    I tried swinging with just 3 fingers, completely detaching index and thumb from the handle and honestly i feel no difference in the swing at all. It always feels like these 3 fingers are doing all the work.
     

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  2. Abdullah Ahmad AAK

    Abdullah Ahmad AAK Regular Member

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    This is a pic from another angle.

    In a few days I'll try to a get someone to make a clear video of me from the front or back while performing a clear. Currently injured so on rest.
     

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    The video looks like panhandle to me and different to your picture. Honestly speaking, you’re doing quite ok with the smash and can now get it steeper.
     
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    Agree with Cheung & Mason, the picture you show is different from the video.

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    In a neutral position your racket is clearly pointing to the ground. To do that with a proper V-grip, you'd have to bend your wrist perpendicular 90 degrees to the outside.

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    Here you are right inbetween 2 smashs, racket clearly pointing to the ground again, sign of a panhandle grip
     
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    His racket face is facing the floor, yes. His racket is pointing forward. . and that , racket face facing floor is more common in panhandle, but re what you say regarding bending the wrist, What on earth.. you don't mean bend your wrist do you? Do you mean rotate the forearm 90 degrees?

    Given rotation of the forearm in that position with V grip, it is possible for the two to look somewhat alike

    Changing grip is like if you imagine the racket being twirled in the hand of a player, in the axis of its shaft.. So bending the wrist is not going to make one grip look like another.

    (There are cases where a change of grip means that to do a shot you'd have to bend the wrist a bit more or a bit less.. but that's something else).

    If you hold your arm out with racket in panhandle grip, like he might have in that image you show, and then switch to V grip and bend your wrist however you want, it's not going to make it look like panhandle. Bending the wrist while having a V grip is going to make the racket shaft point left or right instead of towards the opponent!
     
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    Take your racket, hold it in a standard V grip.

    Now try to reproduce exactly the position he is in the screenshot I took. Remember he is in a neutral position, racket down. Look at your wrist, it is bent. You can try whatever finger/wrist/forearm combination that you want, you cannot achieve his position (racket pointing to the ground) without a panhandle grip. end of story.

    If you manage to find a way to make it work, then post pics, it probably isn't a standard V grip.
     
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    When you say "racket pointing to the ground" I suppose you mean racket face facing the ground. The shaft of his racket could be said to point, but is not pointing to the ground.

    You write "Remember he is in a neutral position" How do you know he is in a neutral position? Don't you think it's possible that his forearm might be very pronated e.g. could be a bit stiff there?
     
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    I think its a panhandle grip, but anyway the smash quality looks vastly improved and ok for now. Still worth changing to the proper technique though if you intend to play badminton in the long term.

    I think you should also start to learn to observe the opponent. (I presume here you are trying to win the point and not practice smashing).

    The opponent is standing blatantly favouring the backhand defence, a smash (even a bad one) to the forehand is far more likely to win. Actually on your fourth shot you drifted to his forehand a bit more and that forced the error because he ran out of space.

    Furthermore, he looks pretty far back and very dug in. If you throw in a drop he will likely have some trouble getting it, and then when hes off balance recovering back to his position you can smash and you will have a good chance to win.

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    It’s a panhandle grip. Clearly panhandle despite trying to argue with someone’s exact wording. It definitely isn’t V grip when he plays on court and in a game.

    The OP smashes pretty well with the panhandle grip and has adjusted the steepness of his smash. Whether it’s worth changing the grip just because it’s panhandle is something for OP to experiment with.

    BTW, a slight panhandle grip is fine for smashes.
     
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    A slight panhandle is also more comfortable for windshield wiper slices
     
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    A lot of players smash with panhandle, and have no intention to change it after 20-30 years playing. Why?
    1. They smash with decent speed. And amateur opponents are not too good at lifting or counter striking
    2. In order to smash with v-grip you need to lead with your elbow and pronate heavily. That can hurt you, and you want to avoid pain.
    I have noticed that 39 amateur players of 40 don't warm up at all. The after effects you can see when watch them playing. Especially legs are not sharp at all, if I may use that expression.
     
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    Your point #1 is very interesting. My (former) coach mentioned that in the 80's, China WD tried the panhandle grip for smash and that resulted in more powerful smashes in the order of 20 to 30%. They did not continue with the panhandle option as it did not work well with flat returns.
     
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