upset list for all england 09...

ctjcad said:
..well, i think calling it just an "Upset"(whenever a lower ranked player/pair beats a higher ranked player/pair) is too broad and general.
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What is their reason(s) behind : "And again, if WR#2 beat WR#1 is under "others" means not upset."?

However, i would call this not an Upset but a Minor Upset : "WR#5 beating WR#1 was considered upset before by members."

The WR is there for a purpose, no?? Shouldn't there be some sort of classification, don't you think?..:p
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We do follow WR. Like I just said, you can categorise into MAJOR, MEDIUM, MINOR (whatever terms), by all means, haha.:D

The "others" category I started it for WR difference 5 or below. WR#2 beat WR#1 is only 1 WR difference. WR#5 beating WR#1 is under "Others" then, not main list, if you've noticed the formating.

As for China/Korea stratch pairs, read back, you'll see many posts on Fu/new partner beating a pair as NOT upset. Or Cai Yun/Xu Chen beating a top #20 pair, esp if the opponent is a so so non Asian pair. Or LYD/Shin, newly crowned German OPen winner. This thread alone there's a comment on Zheng Bo/Ma Jin's win shouldnt be considered upset as GL/Zheng Bo were a splendid.

I was just pointing out that no matter how many categories or sub sections we put, for sure there'll be those who have differing opinions. So, if you want to add in or do, do lor, we all no time.:p
 
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pjswift said:
.....Ultimately, it's good to be standardised so that if up to it,the tournaments upset data could be analysed in many ways to predict future outcome in some ways.
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Yup, seems you have used it too for analysis.
1) Very useful in debates in other threads 2) for future PAW games :D
 
^^I think..^^

..just for the fact of taking into consideration numerous factors such as:
WR, presumed ability of an unknown player/pair, outside uncontrollable factors such as an injury, make it more worthwhile to consider making a type of Upset.
We all know what the top 5 or top 10 ranked players/pairs in the world can and have done. But do we know what those outside the top 10 or 20 can and have done?
Therefore, if a WR#2 (LinDan) beat a WR#1 (LCW), can we call that an "Upset"? I personally would call it a Minor Upset, as the only indicative factor is the WR. Now, if it's a WR#20 beating a WR#2, then i would call that an Upset (based on my proposed idea).

I feel we're still developing on this idea..:p
 
my sentense is easy and my conclusion is:
the standard we already set,above 5 wr different,consider as upset....below will consider in other....if still any comment....my reply is:yes....u can do ur own upset list(because any explain will just bring in more and more debate....if anyone feel tat the STANDARD UPSET LIST IS INCORRECT...just tell me...and i can just everytime sit back and relax....no need do research or hard work...just stop doing will be better...;)....)
 
Taufik beat Peter gade is not an upset.. but it's a Reality..

little bit arrogant... hehe...
 
ctjcad said:
..just for the fact of taking into consideration numerous factors such as:
............But do we know what those outside the top 10 or 20 can and have done? For pairs,the members comments is normally based on the individual player's performance with their previous partners
Therefore, if a WR#2 (LinDan) beat a WR#1 (LCW), can we call that an "Upset"? I personally would call it a Minor Upset, as the only indicative factor is the WR. Now, if it's a WR#20 beating a WR#2, then i would call that an Upset (based on my proposed idea).

I feel we're still developing on this idea..:p
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Anyway, you still didnt catch the main idea : if you want, after the list is out, divide it into the categories you propose & post it. Those of us who do the current list dont own it, so to speak ;). ANd then of course, there'll be those who wouldnt agree to the sub categories too, haha.

Cos most of our time is already taken up searching for the WR(some names have the weird ~ or ' sign in front of it, making the search function harder), esp for doubles dept with the oft changing partners. Hence the we all no time comment.:D:D
 
eaglehelang said:
Anyway, you still didnt catch the main idea : if you want, after the list is out, divide it into the categories you propose & post it. Those of us who do the current list dont own it, so to speak ;). ANd then of course, there'll be those who wouldnt agree to the sub categories too, haha.
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why should????just relax lar....chriss....do the list from next tournament????ok...swiss open...ok????:)
CHRISS????
 
koo_fan said:
hmm...now it's time for Th fans to voice out.

So , jutawin.have it all yours.
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yeah. I will support TH today..
Yesterday, i have predicted KKK/TBH will lose.
If you put more expectation on KKK/TBH, they will disappoint you more..
 
complete upset list from quater final of ae 09....

ws
9)Yanjiao JIANG(wr 29) beat Lan LU (wr 3,seeded 3)21-18 22-20
10)Nanna BROSOLAT JENSEN(wr 46) beat Julia Pei Xian WONG(wr 16)21-16 21-16
11)Yihan WANG(wr 17) Xingfang XIE(wr 5,seeded 5)21-9 21-13

md
5)Yun CAI/haifeng FU(wr 8,seeded 7) beat Lars PAASKE/Jonas RASMUSSEN(wr 3,seeded 2)21-17 21-16
6)Sang Hoon HAN /Ji Man HWANG(wr 166) beat Mohd Zakry ABDUL LATIF/Mohd Fairuzizuan MOHD TAZARI(wr 5,seeded 4)21-9 22-20

wd
4)Shu CHENG/Yunlei ZHAO(wr 7) beat Wen Hsing CHENG/Yu Chin CHIEN(wr 2,seeded1)19-21 21-15 21-18

xd
9)Sung Hyun KO/Jung Eun HA(wr 91) beat Anthony CLARK/Donna KELLOGG(wr 4,seeded 4)21-16 15-21 21-11
10)Flandy LIMPELE/Anastasia RUSSKIKH (notional points at wr 30) beat Nova WIDIANTO/Liliyana NATSIR(wr 1,seeded 1)21-13 21-23 21-16
11)Bo ZHENG/Jin MA (wr 46) beat Yong Dae LEE/Hyo Jung LEE(wr 2,seeded 2)13-21 21-18 21-18

others( beat player higher than them but less than 5 wr different)
th 3
boe/morgensen 5th seed beat koo/tan 3rd seed...but danes wr 4 and koo/tan wr 6)
 
Destricto_Ense said:
I don't think it was much of an upset the LCW beat Taufik, but it sure upset me :P
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WR#1 beating WR#7 is not an upset, if it was WR#7 beating WR#1, then only upset. Taufik beating PG(WR#4) though was an "Other" or minor upset, depending on which category you want to put it in. :p
 
I understand..

eaglehelang said:
Anyway, you still didnt catch the main idea : if you want, after the list is out, divide it into the categories you propose & post it. Those of us who do the current list dont own it, so to speak ;). ANd then of course, there'll be those who wouldnt agree to the sub categories too, haha.

Cos most of our time is already taken up searching for the WR(some names have the weird ~ or ' sign in front of it, making the search function harder), esp for doubles dept with the oft changing partners. Hence the we all no time comment.:D:D
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limsy said:
why should????just relax lar....chriss....do the list from next tournament????ok...swiss open...ok????:)
CHRISS????
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..it's still in a refining mode..;)
I won't be surprised if, in the future, some others will come in and ask/comment about the "Upset" list. I'm just suggesting my "imperfect" idea, based on the previous comments.;)
Personally, i'm open to making the "Upset" list more "agreeable"..:)
 
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ctjcad said:
..it's still in a refining mode..;)
I won't be surprised if, in the future, some others will come in and ask/comment about the "Upset" list. I'm just suggesting my "imperfect" idea, based on the previous comments.;)
Personally, i'm open to making the "Upset" list more "agreeable"..:)
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if u set the rule...ppl question it...then u change again???...next time....can i ask for:smash more than 300 km/h score 2 points...backhand smash more than 250km/h score 2 points....hit opponent face -1????can????:rolleyes:...we set rule to avoid arguement....if u START TO tolerate with arguement...the will have more and more ppl come to ask u change this and tat...;)...

if u still stand on ur view....tell me...hehe...i will retired from doing this...:D...u take over....:p
 
ctjcad said:
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I won't be surprised if, in the future, some others will come in and ask/comment about the "Upset" list. I'm just suggesting my "imperfect" idea, based on the previous comments.;)
Personally, i'm open to making the "Upset" list more "agreeable"..:)
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They have ALREADY done so, you're like the 30th person or so with different suggestions :D.
So, you want to do Swiss Open list ??? :p:p
 
How about..

limsy said:
if u set the rule...ppl question it...then u change again???...next time....can i ask for:smash more than 300 km/h score 2 points...backhand smash more than 250km/h score 2 points....hit opponent face -1????can????:rolleyes:...we set rule to avoid arguement....if u START TO tolerate with arguement...the will have more and more ppl come to ask u change this and tat...;)...

if u still stand on ur view....tell me...hehe...i will retired from doing this...:D...u take over....:p
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eaglehelang said:
They have ALREADY done so, you're like the 30th person or so with different suggestions :D.
So, you want to do Swiss Open list ??? :p:p
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..no more "Upset" list for a while..:D..that'll save limsy's (and anyone's) precious time...:p ;) :p
If someone else wishes to re-start it, then let her/him jump start on it..;)
 
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ctjcad said:
..no more "Upset" list for a while..:D..that'll save limsy's (and anyone's) precious time...:p ;) :p
If someone else wishes to re-start it, then let her/him jump start on it..;)
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maybe u is the one....want????:)...
 
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