Victor Carbonsonic - Synthetic Feathers by Victor

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  1. EpicBlue

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    It would be truly revolutionary if these were biodegradable. At least goose is mostly natural.. Do we know if the new synthetics have recycling options?
     
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    I suppose that's wholesale price, so retail price will be some 20% higher?
     
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    the feather is replace by what looks like carbon stem plus foam feather. the rest is still the same, some threads, cork, glue.

    the carbon should be somewhat biodegradable, but not sure about the foam.
     
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    I remember trying a foam version of this kind of shuttle a few years ago and we thought it was apalling - went elliptical after half a dozen shots, and then flew like a Roberto Carlos free kick. I'd love to see if any improvement has been made:D.
     
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    Soon Mark soon!

    I'm looking forward to seeing these. I'm a bit skeptical about the 562 hits thing because it's 562 quality hits; they might not be so resilient to amateur hits.
     
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    I'd love to get a tube just to try too. It sounds pretty decent as is.
     
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    After watching the video I'm even more looking forward to getting a tube of those to test. Hitting sound is sooo crisp and on a whole different level than classic plastic shuttles. Sounds really promising... pun intended...
     
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    Plastic shuttlecocks just cannot make it. Other than play time for kids they serve no purpose. I feel the weight is different the flight...totally different. Play more with these plastic birds I will kill ur skills and strings.
     
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    I'm fully with you with the 'traditional' plastic shuttles. However this concept is apparently totally different and should hopefully be much closer to feather shuttles when it comes to weight, flight ect. And as long as we have not a single review from "normal" players, I would like to stay positive and hope that this concept will be a first step out of the price insanity we have seen with feather shuttles the previous years. Spending 2 EUR for a single shuttle that lasts 2 games maximum is just not funny anymore.

    Speaking for me, if there was an artificial alternative that would:
    - last significantly longer at a better or at least comparable price
    - be playable with "feather tensions" without killing my arm and elbow
    - provide a comparable feel and sound on impact (this would be my personal priority #1 tbh)
    - have a similar flight curve
    I would be dropping feather shuttles at least for training purposes in an instant. When it comes to playing actual matches or even tournaments I guess it would only depend on their overall performance and feel.

    And again, from what I could see and hear in this demo video, they were playing with 28+ lbs. tension on their rackets and even the flight curve didn't look so bad. If I didn't know that they were playing with a plastic shuttle, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have noticed it based on the things I could see and hear only. Actually it would have been the other way round - I would have been pretty stunned by the hitting sound. :eek:
     
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    Embrace the evolution of the sport. Eventually, all shuttles will be synthetic. Footballs used to be made of real leather - not anymore. Golf balls used to be made of real feathers - not anymore. In 20 years we we'll be saying that shuttlecocks used to be made of real feathers - not anymore!
     
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    At the very least synthetic shuttles won't replace real feather shuttles unless they start using real cork on them.
     
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    The carbonsonic shuttle uses real cork.
     
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    When can I get a tube to try? ;)
     
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    the key to this new shuttle is that it doesn't depart from the tradition structure. they only changed the materials. replacing the feather with a carbon stem and foam feathers. otherwise the construction look identical.

    so as long as the weight and stiffness of those 2 components are comparable to feathers, the feel should be very similar.

    innovation-wise, it is not that revolutionary. we have mentioned this before when we talked about it. in fact, there is nothing technical about making a synthetic shuttle that can play like feathers and last much longer. the key is how to make it affordable.
     
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    Well. Carbon fiber tech and it's derivatives are getting cheaper over the years. Even cheaper rackets nowadays already have carbon fiber somewhere. Logical change. And if it's really as good as promised (and not too different from how feather shuttles flies,etc), why bother playing with feather?

    I mean, really, if the flight could be consistent because of durability, and 5 euros cheaper than As 30, I will buy these all day.

    I mean, even best shuttles break after, sometimes, 3-5 good smashing rallies. Or even once because misshit...

    This is evolution of economics. Not just tech. This will make badminton playable in mid level.
     
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    Anything that lowers the cost to keep playing badminton is a good thing for the sport.
     
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    I so love Google's attempt at translation that I must post it here (and some portions are hilarious): :D


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    Source: Love Yu-off badminton net
    2016-03-23 11:54:48


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    Editor: Xu Ming, Yujiang Tao

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    "Racket speed class, the main section - Speed 12 (Korea National Team New racket)"

    This heralds the end of an era. Good bye BS12 and hellooooooooooooo JS12! :D
     
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