Victor KOREA Open Superseries 2015 : SEMIFINALS (19th September 2015)

[kelana]

2014 Asian Games Results Tainted By Rampant Cheating Allegations Hurled Against Hosts

For the wind, it happens in many halls. It does in Indonesia, it did in the WC in Guangzhou (that was controversial, wasn't?) ; the point is, some of the arguments here are getting too close to the plot-theory syndrome, a kind of paranoia, where all that happens is interpreted as the result of some evil will. And now it becomes an "against China" thing, really out of proportion

DID YOU MEAN A WIND LIKE THIS???

In other alleged cheating news, China’s badminton coach, Li Yongbo also accused the hosts of manipulating the air conditioning during the men’s team final of the event and that it affected the results of the match.

"We did not lose because of technique or tactics, but due to some man-made reasons. The South Koreans deliberately controlled the wind blow in the stadium and took advantage of it," Li said to Shanghai Daily as per this report.

The Japanese badminton contingent also reported a similar case.

"The wind in this stadium is very strange, always supporting the hosts. Every time we change sides, the wind seems to change sides as well," Japan’s badminton coach Keita Masuda said after Japan lost to the Koreans.

http://www.ibtimes.com.au/2014-asian-games-results-tainted-rampant-cheating-allegations-hurled-against-hosts-south-korea

I am not aware of any other stadium having "THE WIND CHANGING SIDES" to the benefits of the host players regardless of which side of court they play.

Of course there are some stadiums having the wind issues, but they are FIXED issues, the wind plays against ANY player being on the "wrong side" of court!

One should be able to differentiate the two cases.

 

[foliot]

All of you who accused the host for playing dirty tricks need to calm down. The minimum length of break between matches for a player is regulated by the BWF itself, and it is indeed 30 minutes (as pointed out before). While I do think that it's too short and probably abused by the host, it's the BWF regulation that needs to be fixed. 30 minutes rest between matches in professional level is stupid.

 

[pcll99]

wow. xd was played after md and china still lost to lee yong dae.

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So are you saying nothing unfair was done to LYD in China if we look at the end result alone?

 

[Fan123]

The way they organized boxing and badminton it was surely aweful... We are familiar with cheatings and I'll activities in boxing but incheon Ag was the first venue for me atleast witnessing them in badminton

Boxing wasn't Incheons fault. it was AIBAs. It happens in every damn amateur boxing tournament. including the events held in India.

 

[Baddyforall]

Boxing wasn't Incheons fault. it was AIBAs. It happens in every damn amateur boxing tournament. including the events held in India.

If i am not wrong , AIBA's chief is a korean. That was clearly visible @Incheon. You know what i am saying. Even, badminton was not an exception there. So many dubious line calls. I did not watch any live matches. But somebody posted a video here showing that happening. Unbelievable.

 

[kruntil]

So are you saying nothing unfair was done to LYD in China if we look at the end result alone?

it is more fair if xd was played first so china xd pair faced fresh lee yong dae

it is a little bit unfair although lee still won

 

[Fan123]

If i am not wrong , AIBA's chief is a korean. That was clearly visible @Incheon. You know what i am saying. Even, badminton was not an exception there. So many dubious line calls. I did not watch any live matches. But somebody posted a video here showing that happening. Unbelievable.

In 2010 Asiad too AIBA chief was Korean not Chinese, In 2001 WC to AIBa chief was Korean not Indian, In London 2012 too AiBA chief was Korean not English.

 

[pcll99]

it is more fair if xd was played first so china xd pair faced fresh lee yong dae

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Yes, that's true. That would be fairer to LYD.

Do you think we should abolish the 30-minute rule? Would it be better if Zhang Nan plays both XD and MD at the same time? Like one rally here at XD and then one rally next at MD? Would that be more enjoyable?

 

[Justin L]

if they put zhang in 2nd and 5th match on the same court, and the 3rd and 4th match are easy straight set, he only has 1 hour interval. not much different.

that's the risk playing in 2 discipline. accept it. the schedule is not always kind to you. what happened in the qualifying? they don't have rest at all. we don't cry like you do.

Your argument is flawed, there is a big difference between letting nature takes its course while doing what is fair and proper as opposed to deliberately manipulating (or due to oversight ?) the schedule on two different courts where the worst-case scenario may occur.

To use your example, what if the 3rd and 4th matches are long-drawn affairs taking up 2 - 3 hours in total? Compare this with the BWF minimum 30 minutes break , not much different ? That's also the reason why some argue for ZN's XD to be the 1st and MD the 5th match of the day on the same court.

True, ZN is taking a risk playing two events but the BWF rulebook allows it,as such proper arrangements should be made to accommodate such cases as far as possible and not make it worse for them.

The situation in the qualification rounds where two matches are played within a day for the same event is unfortunate, lamentable, seemingly unavoidable (due to costs considerations and other reasons not easy to addressed thus far) but at least it applies only once, not in the main draws for those who qualify. This is not a good or valid excuse for what happened to ZN here which is an avoidable or mitigable problem.

I'm absolutely sure every host/organizer will do their utmost to make their tournament a resounding success so it is imperative to make sure it as well-planned and well-organized as possible.

 

[nilesh123]

Boxing wasn't Incheons fault. it was AIBAs. It happens in every damn amateur boxing tournament. including the events held in India.

Agree and this is what I stated in my post somewhere... But then the the person as said here is a Korean and then yes they do all such things but getting an inseparable part of sport like badminton in one particular nation... Is too much to digest

 

[nilesh123]

Of course, what's done cannot be undone. But, more importantly,what's wrong must be corrected and remedial action taken to prevent future occurrence for the good of all. And the fact that some people actually used the occasion to attack China and Zhang Nan himself without even getting the facts right naturally invites a measured response (or retaliation if gone too far).

Peace is good but can there be true peace without justice ?

Sometimes we have to take firm stand rather than searching for peace...This was well calculated and intentional attempt to turn tide in their favours....Some people are saying 2nd and 5th are good enough....well,would have been 'acceptable' if it was on the same court..

Agree guyz!! And didn't I criticized the planned effort!! I totally relate to your posts.. But then its effort in vane if you keep posting here... If the sun rose from east even today then none of those Koreans as well as BWF officials are reading these posts!! Quarrel in worse conditions going on higher level can never bring justice but hatred and diversions often prejudice and stereotypes.... And of course it results miles away from peace...
Firm sentences are said and unanimously agreed I can't see any point in prolonging this

 

[nilesh123]

Of course, what's done cannot be undone. But, more importantly,what's wrong must be corrected and remedial action taken to prevent future occurrence for the good of all. And the fact that some people actually used the occasion to attack China and Zhang Nan himself without even getting the facts right naturally invites a measured response (or retaliation if gone too far).

Peace is good but can there be true peace without justice ?

Sometimes we have to take firm stand rather than searching for peace...This was well calculated and intentional attempt to turn tide in their favours....Some people are saying 2nd and 5th are good enough....well,would have been 'acceptable' if it was on the same court..

And kruntil my friend do you is it right to do whatever happened to a player Y in X nation. A player from X nation deserves to get back the same treatment from Y's nation... This is a sport and not a battlefield to take revenges.. If mistakes happen others should do their best to avoid the mistake on their part.. This is what we learn isn't it?

 

[indrg]

Ok... the organizer should have put ZN/ZYL first in court #1 to be fair for him to recover to be ready for his last MD match in court #2... i guess.. this is acceptable. Now ZN/ZYL will concentrate in 1 match, XD. Natsir/Tontowi better be ready to avenge the INA SS defeat.

Poli/Maheswari also better be ready to play the Koreans WD pair. The crowds, linesmen, and the stadium's wind direction are all against them which ever side they are playing. Good luck to both INA pairs made it to the final.

 

[renbo]

There were many years of Korean opens without anything happening, except dubious line calls here and there. There is no need to call names on Koreans.
Man man change of wind blowing I have seen before in other country.