What is the law on 'not trying'?

Discussion in 'Rules / Tournament Regulation / Officiating' started by Hickton, Aug 25, 2019.

  1. Mate

    Mate Regular Member

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    Cite all other examples you know, Please!
    I am curious. We need to discuss and address this problem seriously and not to use it as a tool to discredit some nations as before.
    We have to discuss this as a problem that need to be addressed together.
     
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    Ah, this wording indeed suggests that the BWF finds throwing the game after 11-3 down to conserve energy for the next game to have a better chance at winning the match is totally fine! Glad to have that cleared up.

    Still feels weird. But players often half ass a last part of the game, but this was really extra. I would imagine if player started doing this more obvious from 15-6 down the rules might change.
     
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    Instead of playing best 2 out of 3 matches, you play 1 match. In that 1 match, first person to get to 40 points wins. This means every point matters, you can't throw away points.
     
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    How about changing ends?
    This best 2 out of 3 games with changing ends are to make the game fair for both sides in terms of advantage/disadvantage of choosing side. Decided by a flip of coin first though (a bit of luck)
     
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    You can change ends every 20 points or something
     
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    So... what if a player looses 20:4, should he now go to umpire asking to forfeit 20 points to finish the match?
     
  8. Ouchie

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    Wasn't there a proposal for best of 5 games to 11 or similar?

    Or maybe try best of 11 games to 5. Similar to tennis. Yet we still see people throw games in tennis especially if it means they can be first server in the next set.
     
  9. Mate

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    Dropping rally point scoring system and back to original scoring system will prevent players from intentionally dropping a game.
     
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    You can simply have a player win immediately if there is 20 point difference in score
     
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    An interesting concept. Never thought of that. Could even be applied to the current system.
    Of course it will prevent ridiculous come backs from happening (which are normally quite entertaining), but it could also remove a lot of boring and predictable slaughtering.
     
  12. stradrider

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    The reason we have multiple games in a lot of sports is to avoid a run of bad points from a good player to determine the result of the match without any chance to recover from it. If you are able to raise your game and prove your ability in one of two games - you deserve a decider.

    It could be a bad start but often there was just a run of lucky points from your opponent (like net caughts) that didn't give you a chance of fair respond. 40 points would give a lot of time to recover but it still does not give you a chance of fresh start..
     
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    I don't see why a run of bad points need to be avoided. If there is a run of bad points...then maybe the player is just not as good *shrugs*

    But anyways, you can always have a break every 15 pts or 20 pts to allow the players to rest and recollect themselves
     
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    Best of three does not avoid chance, just makes it less of a factor.
     
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    I feel throwing the second set when you already won the first is more about tactic and thus obviously still within sportsmanship. It's like a boxer who just got knocked down and spend the next two rounds not throwing many punches in order to recover.
     
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    I don't believe you guys think that it's ok to not play and just let the opponent get free points in any tournament, not to say world championship... Even in a club league that would not be a good sportsmanship. Boxer would be warned if he is not throwing any punches and just running around even after been hit hard. You probably really enjoyed WD in London 2012 ;).

    By the way the umpire in op question is "Lin Dan" of the umpires, I assure you he did not make a mistake... :D
     
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    So according to you, Ahsan/Hendra wasn't a good sportsman for throwing G2 to win the match and above all in World Championship final?
     
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    I don't see a problem if the player choose to give up the second game , if he has won the first game.
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    The player maybe have realized his physical abilities and decide that it is better to lose 21-5 in the second game and then win 30-29 in the third game, than lose 30-29 in the second game, and then still lose 21-5 in the third game due to decreased stamina.

    And I as a spectator would prefer a competitive, tense and climaxing third game than anticlimactic last game.
     
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    London 2012 is not the same as WC 2019. Losing a match on purpose (is this also match fixing?) vs losing a statistically unwinnable game but still win the match.

    However, we have also seen players not compete because...
    a) they can't due to injury/fatigue
    b) they can't due to inability to compete against a far stronger competitor
    c) both of the above

    Both singles finals are examples of the above. Antonsen and Okuhara were no where near their top level but they were also up against very strong competitors. To beat Momota and Sindhu in their form requires superhuman abilities, not damaged, exhausted bodies.

    Pick your battles if you want to win the war. Also, never interfere with your enemy when he is making a mistake.
     
  20. stradrider

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    I am not saying you have to play the best of your best all the time. But I don't understand how can world champion not been embarrassed for not even trying to get a smash landing at his feet..

    You can "throw" the game in a sportsmanship way like FH/CY or KKK/TBH were doing by entertaining the public, trick shots, lifting all the time and doing some other funny things. You see it some time in tennis or table tennis. But not even trying? It's just horrible and does not worth the win in my opinion... :(
     

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