why did LD lose?

hyun007 said:
What one does every second on the court indicate whether one person underestimate the opponent?
You mean LD play too relax?
LD did not place the shuttlecock well?
Can you please define your underestimation of LD here?

What do you mean by not well prepared?
Mentally?
I bet they have a review before the match on how to play against each other by their coaches and how to get certain mental barriers and etc .....

Overall, I think you are a little biased due to the person you are supporting.
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you said only morons underestimate their opponents. and i say every and each one of us underestimates our opponents sometimes. so according to your logic (if you are correct), no one is not a moron.

didn't you notice that LD looked at a total loss after Taufik established a quick lead in the opening game? didn't you notice that? my interpretation: that quick lead was not expected by either LD or LYB & Co. but did they expect such a quick lead in favour of LD? i bet half of my ass they did.

what does that tell you? if you ever repected Taufik as an equally good player as LD, and never underestimate Taufik, how could you be so surprised by such a lead on Taufik's side? i bet the other half of my ass they were not ready for such an opening at all.

LD taking that kinda lead is no surprising at all and Taufik taking the lead is beyond your expectation? that's called underestimation in my dictionary.

no one else meets your moron criteria more than them i'm afraid. i'd say they are just arrogant and ignorant.
 
ye333 said:
Totally totally agree with your analysis. Why LD always seem to under-perform when facing Taufik? Because he has no real confidence beating Taufik! Such confidence can only be established by beating a "near-top form" Taufik, otherwise LD will never know whether the next Taufik he meets will be an improved one or not. This is why the 5 wins over Taufik do not really matter, otherwise by now LD should be calm and very confident when facing Taufik. In fact, no matter what ppl or Taufik say, LD as the guy on court knows whether Taufik is in good form or not. In all the 5 wins, LD himself definitely knows Taufik are not in very good form. The trick Taufik played is that, he showed LD better and better form in the past 5 fights. Thus LD have no idea what Taufik will be like in their next encounter. This uncertainty prevents LD from establishing the real confidence.

Compare, when LD lost to LHI, he KNEW this is an over-performing LHI. When LD beated LCW, he KNEW unless something miraculous happens, the next time he will be facing a same LCW. That is why LD can keep his confidence over these guys.

This guy Taufik, or his coach Mulyo, knows the art of war.
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an interesting observation: there was one year or two when LD liked refusing opponent's request of changing shuttlecocks so much. I clearly remember he refused Peter Gade's requests quite a few times in the All England and infuriated Peter Gade in the second game. as the result, Peter Gade resufed LD's request of shuttle changing too and almost overturned the second game. what a fool LD was!

LD enjoyed this bad habbit so much for quite a long period of time and he did this to almost everyone he played with: Peter Gade (the most unfortunate), LCW, LHI, WCH etc...except Taufik. This is interesting and I concluded that in a deep corner of his heart, LD respects and fears Taufik. and i guess Taufik knows LD's bad habbit too so it is also interesting to watch Taufik communicates with LD in a you-can't-reject-me way. :D go back and replay your tapes and you'll find what i am saying is true!

and this is why I believe no matter what the numbers suggest, Taufik never fears LD; and LD is still scared by their next clash though he has more wins.

I admit i did not watch every match LD played but most of the big opens I did watch. and I did pay attention to LD's bad habbit everytime i watch his game since the first time I noticed his embarassing shameful poor-taste hobby.
 
pjswift said:
Glad you said 'No'.
Anyway, if you track their matches since JO06, you will note that even in TH's losses, the scores have been improving and he 's closing in on LD; it's a matter of time he will beat LD. The question is whether it's going to be when he's fully fit (2007) or 90% (now). TH , because he's naturally gifted,proved that he need not be at 100% to down LD.
But I believe the big mistake LD made was to watch the LCW vs TH SF. Although I only caught the final part of the match, it was awesome (the speed would go well with the "Mission Impossible' music) And this when both were not playing at top form. Can you imagine what it will be like in 2007 when both are likely to reach top form? That's probably the real final. TH himself commented it was tough playing LCW when two years or so ago, he said LCW's game was simple. (He has since shut up on that, smart boy)
Sometimes ignorance is bliss. Since LD was no longer ignorant of TH's form, he got nervous and his confidence was shaken. When that happened, LD 's behaviour regressed to that of a small boy, so that's what you saw.
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Nice analysis. No wonder LD was so caution in placing the shuttle during the match with TH, if u compare with TH. Maybe tat shows where the confidence lvl is for both players.
 
zqloy said:
Nice analysis. No wonder LD was so caution in placing the shuttle during the match with TH, if u compare with TH. Maybe tat shows where the confidence lvl is for both players.
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Come on.. the only reason you place the shuttles that cautiously is when your opponent manage to return you a far better placement than yourself..
And LD was confident alright, both have equal chance of winning
 
pjswift said:
Glad you said 'No'.
Anyway, if you track their matches since JO06, you will note that even in TH's losses, the scores have been improving and he 's closing in on LD; it's a matter of time he will beat LD. The question is whether it's going to be when he's fully fit (2007) or 90% (now). TH , because he's naturally gifted,proved that he need not be at 100% to down LD.
But I believe the big mistake LD made was to watch the LCW vs TH SF. Although I only caught the final part of the match, it was awesome (the speed would go well with the "Mission Impossible' music) And this when both were not playing at top form. Can you imagine what it will be like in 2007 when both are likely to reach top form? That's probably the real final. TH himself commented it was tough playing LCW when two years or so ago, he said LCW's game was simple. (He has since shut up on that, smart boy)
Sometimes ignorance is bliss. Since LD was no longer ignorant of TH's form, he got nervous and his confidence was shaken. When that happened, LD 's behaviour regressed to that of a small boy, so that's what you saw.
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If TH is the best, the greatest since slice bread, and all naturally organic with no artifical flavoring gifted, why can't TH beat LD first time, everytime?

Some TH fans twist things around, calling LD arrogant while it is TH who is arrogant. Here u called LD a small boy but it was TH who avoided playing LD on several occasions. A boy who whines about not getting 100% of the 2004 OG bonus even tho PBSI had a policy on bonus distribution. A boy who has to marry into a powerful family to feel secure. Should I go on (i have more)?? I thot TH fans knew all this already.
 
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^^^Hmm, don't want to veer off topic, let's take this to a different thread..^^^

..guys, i don't want to interject or jump in, it's an interesting topic, but let's take this discussion to a different thread-maybe more related to Taufik...there we can discuss, ramble, steam off all we want...
...thx and hope you guys won't mind-;):cool:
 
ctjcad said:
..guys, i don't want to interject or jump in, it's an interesting topic, but let's take this discussion to a different thread-maybe more related to Taufik...there we can discuss, ramble, steam off all we want...
...thx and hope you guys won't mind-;):cool:
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well, i try to talk techincality of the lost but there are too much hot air around here that need to be cool off.;)
 
i think in the top 5 of the rankings, anyone can beat each other. it all depends on small factors like fitness, injuries and LUCK etc...

TH used the same strategy i think in the world championships against LD last year(2005) where TH dominated the net and won. if TH allready knew the key to beat him and that LS's backhand is weak how come he lost to him previously? if ur backhand play is weak, i dont think u'll be the world number one just by ur forehand...

every player has one form or the other an injury of some sort but they dont whine about it do they? they suck it up and play on! if a player is not in form whos fault is it really??

remember that LD beat TH 4 of 5times in a row before losing. I guess beating a player twice makes u feel like a little boy when u face him again.

LD was leading 20-17 in the 2nd set but he lost 22-20. if it reached the 3rd set who do u think would win?
 
franxon said:
an interesting observation: there was one year or two when LD liked refusing opponent's request of changing shuttlecocks so much. I clearly remember he refused Peter Gade's requests quite a few times in the All England and infuriated Peter Gade in the second game. as the result, Peter Gade resufed LD's request of shuttle changing too and almost overturned the second game. what a fool LD was!

LD enjoyed this bad habbit so much for quite a long period of time and he did this to almost everyone he played with: Peter Gade (the most unfortunate), LCW, LHI, WCH etc...except Taufik. This is interesting and I concluded that in a deep corner of his heart, LD respects and fears Taufik. and i guess Taufik knows LD's bad habbit too so it is also interesting to watch Taufik communicates with LD in a you-can't-reject-me way. :D go back and replay your tapes and you'll find what i am saying is true!

and this is why I believe no matter what the numbers suggest, Taufik never fears LD; and LD is still scared by their next clash though he has more wins.

I admit i did not watch every match LD played but most of the big opens I did watch. and I did pay attention to LD's bad habbit everytime i watch his game since the first time I noticed his embarassing shameful poor-taste hobby.
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maybe the real Lin dan's idol is Taufik, but he keeps it for himself :D
 
cooler said:
well, i try to talk techincality of the lost but there are too much hot air around here that need to be cool off.;)
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i thot you are already a 'cooler' that can cool you down automatically? ;) :)
 
sorry, out of topic

cooler said:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15581&page=3&highlight=taufik+girl

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26377&highlight=taufik+girl

My assumption and many indos too:p
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so far it's only yours, i can not find others.
I was referring to ".....A boy who has to marry into a powerful family to feel secure". my understanding is, just because to feel secure then he "HAS TO" marry daughter of powerful family? does it mean he doesn't feel secure if he marry someone else not from powerful family? I don't think that is exactly his motive. However, it's your right to have that assumption.:)

sorry...sorry...this is out of topic already;)
 
LD lost the match because of TH's many girlfriends

eskey said:
sorry...sorry...this is out of topic already;)
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Hi cooler & eskey,

You two are just hilariously funny. :):):)

I actually do not enjoy a subject thread like "Why so-and-so lose/win?".
I prefer a subject thread like "How so-and-so lose/win?".

We want to know how so-and-so lose/beat his/her opponent.

The ways you 2 are going about... Why did LD lose? is because of TH's many girlfriends...... is just too hilarious. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Cheers... chris@ccc
 
alvinlai said:
Because all us Lin Dan fans here can't watch the match online and cheer for him~:p
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yea!!!:p i'm with this!!haha!!:D
but TH did a great job this time....he defeated 2 other bad boys and a humble one in row IN ONLY 2GAMES EACH!!:crying: :eek:
 
cao ci dan said:
yea!!!:p i'm with this!!haha!!:D
but TH did a great job this time....he defeated 2 other bad boys and a humble one in row IN ONLY 2GAMES EACH!!:crying: :eek:
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Hahaha who is the other bad boy? LCW or BCL? :p:p
 
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