Yonex Crosswind 70 (New hybrid shuttle from yonex?)

Slade said:
If they are extremely durable and last long enough higher pricing might make sense. A shuttle that plays like feather but is as durable as nylon could command a higher price if the cost per shot worked out to be lower.
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The company will certainly think so, but I as a consumer do not, unless the used materials justify that.

If they reach that goal (feather-like but durable) they will make enough money anyway. It's the holy grail, right?
 
H8Man said:
The company will certainly think so, but I as a consumer do not,
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I'm not sure I understand your reasoning here. In the scenario I outlined it would be cheaper to use the new shuttle than feather.
 
H8Man said:
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Have you followed this at all? They aren't released yet.
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Sure.. I'm referring to
"German Bundesliga allowed the shuttle to be used, starting from 01.01.26"

But thus makes no sense as the shuttle is unavailable / not released yet
 
I’m willing to pay more if the quality is good and the durability is there. I don’t like having to take out a new bird per 2 games or so. Or at least use them for training purposes, and save a real bird for game play. But I will also have to change the minds of the group that I play with, as they really only play, practice and train with feathers.
 
Acukeiki said:
I’m willing to pay more if the quality is good and the durability is there. I don’t like having to take out a new bird per 2 games or so. Or at least use them for training purposes, and save a real bird for game play. But I will also have to change the minds of the group that I play with, as they really only play, practice and train with feathers.
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The most difficult thing is actually changing people's mindsets. Some people in my club still only want to play with feather shuttlecocks (even if they are low-end feather shuttlecocks, such as the RSL DTL 82), even though they are poor beginners/intermediate players (low departmental level). You now we have to find excuses for our poor level 🤣
 
Fixoma said:
The most difficult thing is actually changing people's mindsets. Some people in my club still only want to play with feather shuttlecocks (even if they are low-end feather shuttlecocks, such as the RSL DTL 82), even though they are poor beginners/intermediate players (low departmental level). You now we have to find excuses for our poor level 🤣
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Those people who will ONLY play with feathers, had better start stocking up on a lifetimes supply.
I expect that once synthetics are used at professional tournaments, feather shuttles will all but disappear.
 
There is finally a longer article published on the official Yonex website.

https://www.yonex.com/news/crosswind-70-advancing-the-future-of-badminton/

They bring up the topic of the recyclability of the new shuttlecocks, which is the thing that concerns me the most about these new designs.

Carbon fibre, as a composite material, is known to be difficult and uncommon to recycle, as it requires a lot of energy and the recycled material has worse properties than the original. Nylon can be recycled, but post-consumer waste recycling is not very common. Natural cork is probably the best part here since it’s biodegradable. And all these elements are glued together with some resin adhesive which, as you might guess, isn’t recyclable either.

That sounds to me like a pretty unsustainable mix of materials for something that will be thrown away after maybe two hours of use.

With all of that in mind, we must assume that Yonex’s statement “With future recyclability in mind, we carefully selected materials to incorporate into every element of the design” actually means that recycling may be possible in some form in the future, but it is not necessarily possible now. The only thing they promise is “We are advancing research into the recycling potential of each material, with the aim of giving used shuttlecocks new life as playable shuttlecocks once again.” and I’m really curious where this is going to lead and at what scale it could work. Only at big tournaments, as it does now? What about the millions of shuttlecocks used by local club players all over the world?

Victor’s NCS Max is similar in that regard, except the head is made of synthetic cork, only making it worse. What’s more, Victor doesn’t even mention anything about recycling or the biodegradability of their shuttles, as far as I know.

I really wish that environmental concerns were taken into account more when designing new products with such a short lifespan.
 
tomaszffffff said:
They bring up the topic of the recyclability of the new shuttlecocks, which is the thing that concerns me the most about these new designs.
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Feather shuttlecocks don't get recycled either, they go in landfills. I agree that recycling would be beneficial but let's not pretend the new shuttlecocks are worse than the old ones. Plus if they last longer then fewer will end up in the garbage.
 
Slade said:
Feather shuttlecocks don't get recycled either, they go in landfills. I agree that recycling would be beneficial but let's not pretend the new shuttlecocks are worse than the old ones. Plus if they last longer then fewer will end up in the garbage.
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They actually are worse, feather shuttles weren’t recyclable, but they were biodegradable at least.
 
Bad news out of Canada.

I'm hoping this is error but it may be accurate. One of our Yonex dedicated online retailors here has posted the product page for the Crosswind 70's and they have a $57 CAD msrp :( Are we in agreement that these tubes hold 6 shuttles? A tube of 12 NCS Max is only $36 here, nearly half the price for twice the shuttles.

I knew that they would have a more premium price that NCS, it's just to be expected with anything Yonex but this price 'might' be exceptionally excessive. I say 'might' as I've never seen these shuttles in action and maybe they last 4 to 5 games, who knows?

Again this price may be a placeholder but sadly it seems too specific.

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If they last at least 4 times longer then they would be cheaper per shuttle.
 
If it's the same durability as plastic, it should last a really long time... at least we can hope so, we'll see! But at that price, it had better be sturdy!
 
Victor's NCS certainly isn't close to the durability of plastic, hopefully these are a lot better than that.
 
inDesigner said:
Bad news out of Canada.

I'm hoping this is error but it may be accurate. One of our Yonex dedicated online retailors here has posted the product page for the Crosswind 70's and they have a $57 CAD msrp :( Are we in agreement that these tubes hold 6 shuttles? A tube of 12 NCS Max is only $36 here, nearly half the price for twice the shuttles.

I knew that they would have a more premium price that NCS, it's just to be expected with anything Yonex but this price 'might' be exceptionally excessive. I say 'might' as I've never seen these shuttles in action and maybe they last 4 to 5 games, who knows?

Again this price may be a placeholder but sadly it seems too specific.

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Retail prices for single tubes at some retailers will always be high, as they want to maximize margins - shuttles usually have low margins on shuttles due to bulk sales.

I think it will still be high, but prices should be better with bulk purchases. For Calgary, my Yonex rep said we probably won't see them until next year or so, as it will be a while until they come out with the slower speed we need here.

For the first while, they might only be used for sponsored tournaments - we currently use AS40 for junior tournaments, so for me it makes sense this is where the Crosswind might make a suitable replacement
 
Hoped to see them at a lower price, as this might shy away a lot of players. Even if they are durable it's still a good amount of money to spend for only 6 shuttles.

I was told that they won't be available in Germany before november.
 
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