Yonex Voltric 80 ( VT80 )

Limited328 said:
Could anyone please tell me what "BP" stands for in badminton terms? What's so insane about 321mm "DRY"?
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BP is the Balance Point. It's the point where the frame balances itself to the handle. If that's unclear then just put the shaft of the racket on your index finger, move forward or backward until the racket balances itself.

The higher the BP the more head heavy the racket is. I'm not sure on the number, but usually anything above 300mm is head heavy, I think it's 280-300 is an even balance racket. Again, I'm not sure on that number. So 321mm BP with no string is really head heavy, considering most VT80 BP is aroun 305-315mm.
 
avengers88 said:
ssj, i noticed u like to use the word "advanced". I presume that u are a pretty advanced player urself, I would like to see a video of u playing a couple of rallies if it is possible. Would like to see how advanced u are in my level of play.
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Hehe, not sure why there's such an interest in my level of play? I just think it's important to describe what level of player one is when making comments on a racket.

Put it this way, I currently play 3-4 times a week and have been playing for over 20 years. I've never been formally trained, but have had brief informal coaching and self-coach myself sometimes by watching videos. I've only won one tournament (male doubles), but have come close to winning several local (admittedly fairly low key) tournaments (mostly team events). In one of the clubs I play at, I rated myself as a "B" player, but found I could probably beat all the other "B" level players, as well as be on par with most of the "A" level players.

At the end of the day, I'm probably somewhere between "Intermediate" and "Advanced". When I play with people who are better than me, I generally call them "Advanced". I've recently played against some of the top players ("top" meaning top 20-30) in my country (both Mens and Womens), so I think I can sort of gauge quite accurately where I'm at.
 
ssj100 said:
And who was telling me that apacs are off spec? Sounds like Yonex are just as bad!
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Lets not get carried away with the Yonex bashing.

I have also owned apacs rackets just like you, and i realized they have a higher rate of offspec rackets.
I am sure this is one of very few that have slipped through the cracks. I couldnt say the same thing for an apacs racket.
Finally, Yonex doesn't release its actual balance points and stuff like that, IIRC. For all we know, Sir DinkAlot's Racket could be closer to the BP spec than we realize though i, like many on the thread, highly doubt that.
 
Does anyone here know if Yonex has a system in place to check their high-end racquets for compliance (specs to fall in a particular bandwidth) before they are sent to distribution? How and more importantly, when, do they inscribe the weight code?
 
cobalt said:
Does anyone here know if Yonex has a system in place to check their high-end racquets for compliance (specs to fall in a particular bandwidth) before they are sent to distribution? How and more importantly, when, do they inscribe the weight code?
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Generally, Yonex is very good with specs, most rackets of the same model that I've measured are within 5mm. Although they seem to be head heavier than they are advertised. I've owned 2 ns9900 with bp of 288 and 290 dry, I don't think that's head light.
 
Maklike Tier said:
Anyone else have an ethics problem with the owner of one badminton racket company sledging the racket of another?
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No, unless he is misrepresenting facts or doing it under a pseudonym. Apple's Jobs does it all the time either through himself directly or ads. I have no problems with that.
 
What, Steve jobs jumps on stage and says "I have a HTC phone and something is wrong with it"? Rubbish.

He's casting doubts in consumers minds as to the quality of another companies products, the motive of which is to bolster the reputation of his company at the expense of another.

If I owned Yonex and I mentioned a guy at the local club who can't seem to stop breaking Panda Power rackets, would that be cool?
 
Maklike Tier said:
Anyone else have an ethics problem with the owner of one badminton racket company sledging the racket of another?
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No, not really. At least not in this case. For two major reasons;

1. The individaul in question has been providing reviews of raquets strings and shuttles for years and years here on BC. In addition he is very well known to even casual browsers such as myself. We know who he is and what he does. Owning a raquet company doesn't preclude him from giving an opinion. His potenial biases are pretty well disclosed.

2. He has stated that he is holding off on giving a review due to his suspision that the racquet he has recieved is potentially off spec. It would have been in his interest to not disclose this fact and proceed with what would have been a tainted review, he choose not too. That to me speaks to a fair amount of integrity on his part.
 
Maklike Tier said:
What, Steve jobs jumps on stage and says "I have a HTC phone and something is wrong with it"? Rubbish.

He's casting doubts in consumers minds as to the quality of another companies products, the motive of which is to bolster the reputation of his company at the expense of another.

If I owned Yonex and I mentioned a guy at the local club who can't seem to stop breaking Panda Power rackets, would that be cool?
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In your first case, Steve Jobs is very well known so if he ever did as you imagine he would come under an incredible amount of scrutiny and he would be forced to defend his claims.

Now if he posted on a widely followed tech forum under a psuedonom and made those claims that would be ethically murky
 
Maklike Tier said:
What, Steve jobs jumps on stage and says "I have a HTC phone and something is wrong with it"? Rubbish.

He's casting doubts in consumers minds as to the quality of another companies products, the motive of which is to bolster the reputation of his company at the expense of another.

If I owned Yonex and I mentioned a guy at the local club who can't seem to stop breaking Panda Power rackets, would that be cool?
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Well if your statements about Panda breakage is true then it would be totally cool. You're warning people about a shoddy product and leading them to a superior one. And if the people at the club knew you are the owner of Yonex, they will be aware of a potential independence or bias issue and perhaps require you to present evidence to back up your statement.
 
It doesn't matter if any of it is true, because you're casting doubts in people's minds, regardless.

One or two breakages does not constitute a shoddy product, but the mere fact that you think it would be illustrates my point of allusion. Already you're wondering if there is an issue with PP rackets.
 
Maklike Tier said:
What, Steve jobs jumps on stage and says "I have a HTC phone and something is wrong with it"? Rubbish.

He's casting doubts in consumers minds as to the quality of another companies products, the motive of which is to bolster the reputation of his company at the expense of another.

If I owned Yonex and I mentioned a guy at the local club who can't seem to stop breaking Panda Power rackets, would that be cool?
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That Apacs are wildly off spec (at times) stems from before Panda Power even existed and is pretty much common knowledge (afaik). I'd even say his positive reviews lead to a boost in Apacs' popularity around here. But as we have noticed even the PP rackets have wildly off spec specimens and no/little attempt has been made to hide that, just presented as "exotics" :D;) ... For Yonex it is pretty rare though (of course a vague blob on a chart hardly allows to label someting on- or off-spec but for the VT80 the early measurements put it around the 305 mark, weight issue aside).
 
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Forgot to add of course: you don't know if what you're getting with Apacs is within there wide margin of +/-5mm(?) and weight unless perhaps you ask the seller to measure a few and they oblige. Something done upfront for the PP's (and SOTX) ...
 
Maklike Tier said:
It doesn't matter if any of it is true, because you're casting doubts in people's minds, regardless.

One or two breakages does not constitute a shoddy product, but the mere fact that you think it would be illustrates my point of allusion. Already you're wondering if there is an issue with PP rackets.
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But that's the point of these public forums right? To share experience, whether good or bad. Since Mr. Dink is owner of Panda Co., perhaps he should have posted a disclaimer stating he owns a company that produces a competing product. However, just because he owns Panda Co. should not exclude him from posting negative reviews of Yonex products (as long as he makes his position and identity clear). If you doubt his claim about the off spec VT80, you can request pictures as evidence, but instead you skipped that part and went for his integrity as a person.

If there are off spec VT80's out there, I would like to know, that way I can be more prudent and check the bp and weight before I fork over cash.
 
Thanks Thunder.

In addition, I always give and have given Yonex the benefit of the doubt.

I have consistently stated Yonex and (more recently) Victor are the top overall racket manufacturers. They make, overall, the best rackets and have the best technology.

So there is no bashing. :)


thunder.tw said:
No, not really. At least not in this case. For two major reasons;

1. The individaul in question has been providing reviews of raquets strings and shuttles for years and years here on BC. In addition he is very well known to even casual browsers such as myself. We know who he is and what he does. Owning a raquet company doesn't preclude him from giving an opinion. His potenial biases are pretty well disclosed.

2. He has stated that he is holding off on giving a review due to his suspision that the racquet he has recieved is potentially off spec. It would have been in his interest to not disclose this fact and proceed with what would have been a tainted review, he choose not too. That to me speaks to a fair amount of integrity on his part.
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Frankly, I find this a bit of "much ado about nothing."

Dink wasn't trying to stir the pot; nor was he trying to malign Yonex or the VT80. He was sharing his experience. He also noted that it was off-spec. He's always been pretty objective. Why read more into his post than there is? I have read a lot of his posts, and am yet to come across one whose contents can actually be constituted as "sledging."

Edit: sorry, just noted Dink's post above... :)
 
a question here for those who have stripped the original grip of VT80, was the original grip glued on the wood-handle? I plan to attach a 1.9mm replacement grip on the handle-wood, then re-use the original grip on top of it. But i doubt if original grip was strongly glued on the wood and i can't use the original grip after stripped it off.
 
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