You can flip all you want, that's exactly the reason I'm going to give you. And I have explained it before. Zhang overrated? He's really underrated among the casual fans of badminton. I gave you a breakdown earlier, and you simply cherry pick Zhang nan's non-strength and Fu's strength together. What the heck has engineering taught you, isolate the data that agrees with your hypothesis and discard everything else? Mind you, LYD does have an olympic gold, and Ahsan does have two world championships, they aren't shabby either.
What's with idiots and their attempts to bring personal info into discussions? I dont get how anyone could come to the conclusion it has any influence on the discussion. Anyhow, if you read my post in its entirety, I specifically said I dont consider Fu to be much stronger than ZN. On average, I'd say he's better because he doesnt have as many and as clear off-days, but ZN can out-peak him on a good day. My comparison of ZNs weak/FHFs strong point is not what I base that opinion on. Additionally, LYD's XD medal has exactly zero impact on his rating as an MD player, since tactically thise are two completely different disciplines. I dont consider LYD or Ahsan shabby players, but I've never considered Ahsan the best and very rarely even the second best player on court in any high-level match. And LYD just cant handle pressure, he's basically the LCW of MD without the benefit of playing at the same time as the inarguably best and most dominating (MD) player of all time since Fu had more than one weak major tournament and didnt even eliminate LYD from the Olympics.
Hm yeah, bringing your personal info is not objective. I'm just responding in kind; I will stay objective if you do. Fu does not seem to be nervous during the big occasions when the score is very tight, while LYD does seem to worry a bit. I actually think Ahsan is the best player overall on a good day. He has a powerful attack, as well as extremely effective drive/net/read skills. His weaknesses are obvious though, no stamina, inconsistent, and meh defense. XD and MD have a lot of similarities, although of course there are differences.
Haha I consider Ahsan to be the weakest of the three by a clear margin for a back court specialist, his smash isnt great, and pretty much the only things he excels at are his super quick movement and the ability to take almost anything overhead and press forward ruthlessly. His service is illegal 90% of the time (though not as bad as YYS's) and his service situation play is in the moddle of the three (Fu weakest, LYD strongest). His only accomplishment is being Setiawan's perfect fit and he profited off his exceptional play these last years, unable to achieve anything on his own previously (and probably afterwards).
Skills, talent, intelligence is only meaningful when translated to victories in majors. On that score, Fu Haifeng is the greatest of all time. Sent from my iPhone 7 using Android Nougat
Fu Haifeng defies the odds, an old dog learning new tricks. Two Olympic golds with different partners , four world championships with Cai Yun, and a host of other prestigious titles to his name, still going strong at 33 years of age - he is certainly one of the greatest men's doubles players of all time. Hard to argue who is the GOAT in MD, unlike Lin Dan who clearly towers over everyone else in MS. Btw, Singles and Doubles cannot be compared together, just like apples and oranges.
The better question is this? Is Zhang Nan better than Cai Yun? That would be comparing apple with apple.
To take back Zhuangcorp's question, I don't know if Fu want to retire. He is not young and might be seriously demotivated now that he won a gold again. If he does, what will happen to ZN? He probably won't play XD again, and who to pair him in MD?
Although he's now (right at this very moment even as we speak) competing in Americas Masters in Vancouver, beating on us poor Canadian amateurs. C'mon Tony, what chance do we have against an OG gold medallist and WC MD champion? http://badmintoncanada.tournamentso...64FB5D7-17D6-46CC-AB44-6866A40FA8F2&player=15
omg hahahaha a few of my friends are playing in that event. Tony must be laughing at how weak his opposition is!
Thank you xiaoqiao. I have been learning a lot from your reply. I would like to see comparing between men-double pairs more than single ones. I think the clash of Cai Yun / Fu Haifeng and Jung Jae Sung / Lee Young Dae has brought men-double to the whole new level. Any matches these days between Ahsan/Setiawan and Lee/Yoo and Fu/Zhang still not get to their level. If Cai/Fu met Jung/Lee in Olympic final 2012, I think those players could show us a very high badminton that never seen.
In XD Zhang Nan should pair with Bao Yixin. in MD, he could pair with Zeng Siwei or Hong Wei, or Li Junhui.
I quite like that idea, ZN with Bao yixin. Both Zheng and Zhang are net guys, one of them will have to develop a more powerful smash. It can be done with Zheng I would think.
Somehow I don't think ZN can continue to play in both disciplines at a top level. He's not a young pup anymore. Just as ZYL won't be able to to play both disciplines either due to age.
Ya think? He's 26/27 now, he's still got four years I reckon. Front guys don't get hurt as much as back guys, and ZN's play style is fairly injury free. He doesn't run super fast or stretch super long, nor hit super hard. I think he's one of the few Chinese guys who can play for a for a long time. I think he can still play both disciplines, although maybe not for the olympics in 2020.
Well, I've noticed over the past 2 yrs he started to wear more and more kinesio tape, first on the shoulder, arm, and then the knees, whereas he didn't have any of that 4 yrs ago. CHN should really (and probably is) develop more high level players instead of always depending on poor ZN and ZYL for so long.
