Panda Power: A Racket That Can Take 40lbs. String Tension!

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  1. singnflip4life

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    A unpopular but surefire way. *pretend* there's woven kevlar, and stamp it on. But that'd be bad for the company name...

    I think one of the biggest sellers is that we're getting an amazing racket that is > yonex, for less or less than half the yonex price. Putting it up to 200+ just means that if I want a woven kevlar racket, I'd go find out more about SOTX and Forza. So I'm glad you're not trying to just capitalize on your current popularity and actually looking for a way to service the badminton community in the best way.
     
  2. DinkAlot

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    All of this has been posted before...somewhere in here...or at least on BC somewhere.:p

    In a nutshell (Panda's no expert on this stuff):

    Traditional woven graphite, if properly used, is the best material for badminton rackets currently available (outside of unreachable, expensive, exotic materials).

    Traditional carbon graphite/carbon fiber/graphite/graphite fiber are thousand of carbon fibers twisted into shape. Weaving (woven) is just a way of shaping it, in a, you guessed it, woven pattern to make it better in all aspects. It also costs more than it's traditional twisted partner.

    Now there are two types of woven graphite. Traditional woven graphite is woven bi-axially. Meidai in Japan has come up with a woven graphite that's quad-axial (or Tetras Axial as they call it). It's nearly twice as strong as woven graphite and Mizuno uses it on their TC (Tetra Cross) rackets. But after testing the TC700, I feel it's too much of a good thing. It's too stiff and demanding and unyielding. There's no feedback, no vibration, no feel. Imagine hitting a shuttle with a paddle ball racket, that's about the feel.

    Designing a well performing racket is not always so easy. If you emulate a tried and true formula, then it's much easy. If you are delving into exotic materials or new things others have not tried, it's definitely not so easy unless you get lucky.

    It's not always raw numbers and stats, it's the blending, the synergy of all the parts that makes a racket "good".
     
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    Apart from that I don't agree about the TC700s responsivness (which I think is great if one gives it some getting used to time finding the sweetspot) :), I think you are jumping into premature conclusions, about the properties of tetra axial-wovens. Mizuno have used tetra-axial woven graphite in different racket-models.. TC700 being the stiffest version, but they also have TC500,TC400 and TC300 models all with more flex than the TC700.
    You may find the TC700 to stiff for your liking, but how can you conclude that this is because the tetra-axial woven!?? If you haven't even tried the flexier racket models also using tetra-axial woven as well??

    To me it is like if someone would be saying Toray is not suitable for rackets, as the Ultra 1 feels to stiff?!?!

    /Twobeer
     
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    I'm not going to get into debate about this but I would like to clarify these things:

    1) TC700 is what I referred to, no other Mizuno racket.

    2) The TC700 shaft is not too stiff, nor is the frame. It's the combination of everything, it's just too demanding, relatively speaking and there's no feel, no feedback. For me, that's not a good racket.

    That is all. :)



     
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    DinkAlot dcbadminton
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    Oh yes, just to clarify more: I have nothing against Mizuno. In fact, I feel Asics Tiger and Mizuno are among the best at what they do. I have Mizuno clothing, shoes and back in the day softball bats and gloves, all excellent.

    In fact, I really like Mizuno products which I believe are first-rate. Everything they do is quality. The TC700 is first-rate in terms of fit, finish and materials used; I just do not like the way it performs. I was quite surprised...maybe I got a defective TC700? Or maybe Panda needs to pump more iron. :p
     
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    I think it's a great idea.
    But I have a feeling that Dan has an understanding with Kwun, especially with this mega thread. Dan already has a wide latitude in this forum to provide word of mouth advertising with pre and post sales customer support!
     
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    He may not limit his business on purpose, but people can misconstitute things.
     
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    Not a judgement on anyone, but it is truly a sad statement on the sad state of affairs in this world when the mere mention of Christ can cause consternation.

    But anyways, I thought DC stood for Dan's initials.
     
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    Aye I agree. Very sad.

    I thought DC was that too. Maybe he'll clear it up for us.
     
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    I just received the all woven graphite Ultra prototype, call sign "Ultra Woven". Going to string it up and start testing... :D
     
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    Schweet! Please tell me when your rackets are available and who is the US Distributor, I want to test one.
     
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    Hey, can the mods please stop being humourless, petty, crypto-fascist amateurs?

    You seem to be confusing humour and counter-point as 'being rude', and all this weak censorship does is kill the flow of the thread, and frankly make it real boring.

    You know, when Jesus created the Internet, I don't think what he had in mind was all these little scorned nerds forming forums just so they could edit and censor the content so everything can look as close to a miniature virtual 1984 as possible, so can you just cut it out ???
     
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    We're currently having trouble as the chocolate seems to only be able to withstand a tension of .5lb, but we're working on it.
     
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    would like to know....zelm pp10k vs DC pp T2...which one swings faster??i know t2 is a better racq...
     
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    how do you know that?

    i'll be keen to find out.
     
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    getting both by this weekend i think...but i am no racq tester....so my opinion cant be taken seriously...
     
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    Haha that's where you're wrong. How many people are professionals anyway?

    It's YOU, the average joe who's opinion would be most credible.

    Do please give a comparison/review when you've used both racket :)
     
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    Hi Sir DinkAlot,

    How would you compare T2 with RSL X3 Gold or X2 blue?
     
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    received my t2's off mark today. Great guy to deal with, very helpful, great service and super quick delivery. I would recommend him to anyone wanting to buy panda power rackets in the uk. Sorry about the crappy pics taken of my phone.

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