This thread shud be close already. We all have made our point about malaysian badminton. Its just some ppl's wishful thinking that malaysia was having an era
under the leadership of the most capable, malaysian badminton will rise again. after my wei2 retire, very sure he will be able to train future champions.
I am really sorry to sound rude, and am perhaps ignorant, but when was there ever a Malaysian badminton era? Malaysia is yet to win a single gold in either world championships or olympics, and I can't even remember any notable players who can compete at the highest level (top3 of their era) apart from LCW. I apologize again if I am in any way ignorant.
Well in the era when Malaysia won Thomas Cup beating INA there were notable players like the Sidek brothers (MD: Razif/Jalani, MS: Rashid), Foo Kok Keong, MD: Cheah Soon Kit/Yap Kim Hock I remember them all back in 1990s.
an "era" is often defined as a period of time where there is notable happening/events. for Malaysia, there is definitely the 40s-60s where they were head to head with Indonesia for the Thomas Cup. in more recent history, their success in the 1990's peaking at the 1992 Thomas Cup. since then, there is a steady decline where they were competitive but mostly shadowed by other players, Cheah/Yip by Ricky/Rexy, Sidek and WCH by other MS players. Only until mid-2000's when LCW matured and started taking the spotlight. Joining Gade/Taufik/Lin Dan in the golden era for MS in the 2000's. but that's hardly an era for Malaysia, seems more like era for LCW personally. however, I don't expect LCW to last much longer. his era will at most last until 2016. other countries seems to have much more extensive eras. Indonesia has been consistently strong in both men and women since the 40 until China took over them in women in the mid 90's and men in the mid 2000's. China has been consistently strong in both men and women since they joined international badminton in 1980. only to have dipped briefly, after 1990. and now they are just about dominating. those are much more significant eras.
Kwun is right. Malaysia's golden age ended long time ago in 1958. After 1958 when Eddy Chong finally retired, Malaysia has been hard pressed to produce outstanding Badminton players. Teh Kew Sang , Tan Aik Huang were good players but hardly had the wow factor. Both of whom did not bring any thing new in MS and were footnote in world Badminton Tan Boon Bee and Tan Yee Khan brought some excitement in the MD department and both of them were quite innovative and were top of world in mid to late 60s. Punch did make some impact for Malaysia but he was overshadowed by Hartono. And the ex Indonesians of THing and How playing for CHina. After Punch, those that made the famous 76 Thomas cup team were just average players some time losing even to India. The Sidek Brothers gave some glimmer of hope or at least brought some respect back for Malaysian Badminton. Starting with Misbun who for a short two years was sensational and could even beat top Chinese players but at last he faltered and never lived up to his talent. Razif and Jailani at least could rank as place themselves as top doubles internationally. Rashid did better than Misbun and at least had a long career in which he was not considered an average player. Foo Kok Keong was an average player punching above his weight by the sheer fact of his indomitable will. Cheah soon Kit in the Doubles were like Tan Boon Bee but never had the partner that could match his strength and temperament. After that Ong Ewe Hock and Yang Hock Kin were good players but never in the chasing pack with Dong Jiong , Arby, Sun Jun Hoyer Larsen and later Peter G and Hendrawan. Wong Choon Hann was the only MS player after that you could safely say has the wow factor and won respect by winning the China open in 2002. But he was almost alone. Rosli Hashim didn't move pass average, Lee Tsuen Seng was a false dawn. At least then there were potentials in the young ones like Hafiz and LCW . Hfiz did well for two years after 2002 but faltered. WHich left us with LCW, KKK and Tan Boon Heong. They have been around for almost a decade and U cant see any one in the MS department that u think can at least be at Rashid or foo Ko keong Level, forget about anyone replacing LCW The conclusion is, the training set up after the 60s was not able to produce outstanding Players , there were one or two that came up by luck of the draw but never in every decade to take over the mantle of those who gone before. Once LCW retires, Malaysian badminton will return to the dark ages of the 70s where we were like a forgotten champion spoken only in passing never in excitement. There will be someone who will come out from the ranks to shine as a world beater but he would be alone and his success will be few and far between.
Well said Cheung. Many of us badminton fans in Malaysia including me don't see any hope after LCW retires. I mean look at the recent WC. All of the Malaysian players except LCW were out before the QF, and whats more insulting is that even Spain has a WC winner before Malaysia
the loss of LCW and his team at Asian Game semifinal against China is totally sent the message to the world that Malaysia badminton is about to extinct...
Malaysian Badminton at a low point? Definitely. Again? Yes! Extinct? Unrealistic. Whatever the performance of the seniors, there is always a small but steady flow of new, world class talent, don't you agree? Extinct is when nobody is playing anymore. Now ...how to convert these young talents into world beaters that's the elusive Malaysian holy grail
He's already wrong. As it turned out, MAS did so well by beating all in its path during the recent Thomas Cup, except JPN, the eventual winners. Before this the TC had only three winners since 1949: MAS, INA and CHN. JPN joined this illustrious company only this year when she beat MAS 3-2 in the final. It took JPN about 60 years! Not even DEN and KOR, which are considered badminton powerhouses by many, could win the Cup even once. MAS badminton may be seen to be at a low point, but in the recent TC, MAS shocked a few countries which many thought are better. Ups and downs happen to the powerhouses, but they will bounce back. JPN wrecked the form books by destroying mighty CHN 3-nil, something even the most knowledgeable had never expected. MAS is no exception.
Joo-bong: V Shem-Wee Kiong shouldn’t have been split up Thursday, 19 Oct 2017 by Rajes Paul New partnership: Goh V Shem (right) and Teo Ee Yi will make their debut at the French Open in Paris next Wednesday. — S.S.KANESAN / The Star ODENSE (Denmark): Doubles legend Park Joo-bong believes Malaysia have made a big mistake by splitting national No. 1 pair Goh V Shem-Tan Wee Kiong. And the South Korean, who is Japan’s head coach, believes that the decision will see Malaysia struggle in men’s doubles for at least another year. “I’m surprised by the decision. Why did Malaysia split their top pair when there are so many major events next year?” asked Joo-Bong, who is with the Japanese team at the Denmark Open in Odense. “V Shem-Wee Kiong are the defending champions at the Denmark Open. And there are no Malaysian representatives this time. That’s sad,” said Joo-bong, the former Olympic champion and a two-time gold medallist in the men’s doubles at the World Championships. Former world No. 1 V Shem-Wee Kiong enjoyed a brilliant year last season. Besides the silver at the Rio Olympics, they also emerged champions at the Denmark Open and World Superseries Finals in Dubai. But a knee injury to Wee Kiong hampered their progress this year. Wee Kiong-V Shem lost to Japanese No. 1 Takeshi Kamura-Keigo Sonoda twice at the Sudirman Cup. They also lost in the second round at the World Cham-pionships in Glasgow, Scotland, in August. Wee Kiong-V Shem’s lack of results did not sit too well with the Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) and they were split up in September. “I’m still baffled. How can the form of the Olympic silver medallists drop so drastically within a year?” “Injuries can be managed. It’s normal for doubles players to have issues but it can be resolved. It takes time,” said Joo-bong. Joo-bong added that Malaysia were lagging behind the world’s best in men’s doubles because they kept changing players, coaches and coaching structures. “I thought Malaysia did the right thing when they teamed up Wee Kiong and V Shem (in 2014) after the exit of Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong.” “But in less than three years, Wee Kiong and V Shem are no longer a pair.” “In Japan, we don’t simply change coaches or players. Everyone is given time to produce results. ” “We don’t change an Olympic-medal winning pair or a coach just like that,” said the 52-year-old Joo-bong, who coached the Malaysian team from 2000-2003.” “Look at Denmark’s top pair Mathias Boe-Carsten Mogensen. They are playing together for the 13th year and they’re still doing great despite all the challenges.” Joo-bong, however, hopes to see Malaysia produce some formidable pairs to make the sport more interesting. “It’ll be good to see how the new Malaysian pairs fare in the next few tournaments,” he said. V Shem will play with Teo Ee Yi while Wee Kiong has been teamed up with Ong Yew Sin. And they will make their debuts at the French Open in Paris next Wednesday. Source: http://www.thestar.com.my/sport/bad...-v-shemwee-kiong-shouldnt-have-been-split-up/
Not PJB directly but the news maker does. We're know that media need something hot to be popular media. When the media find a hot topic, they add some seasonings into the hot thing that making it even hottest news of the weeks or months. But the truth said by PJB about it shouldn't easily split and pairing the player with another pair. China and Korea are the two countries with highest number record in splitting pair and making a new pair. With some results destroying the bright career of Bao Yixin and Shin Baek Cheol.
Yes...the need to not make the same mistake twice (kkk&THB) is the main motivation behind the split i think
They kept Koo/Tan for too long, with no result to show even though ranked in top 5 consistently for a few year. I imagine Goh/Tan will be like that too, if they stayed together. Some fresh air might be good for them.
