Brain or Body?

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  1. gsc300

    gsc300 Regular Member

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    Hey guys, this is quite a very interesting Q i might ask (cause I never ask this) do we usually think or just using our physical strength in badminton? Tactics? Smash? Position? Drop?:cool:
     
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    Not completely sure what you are asking, but i'll assume it's a question of thinking/tatics vs raw power/smashing. I have finally gotten through my smash happy phase and i'm very happy with my current style of play which is a lot of anticipation and placement which i guess would fall under the thinking category.
     
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    quick reactions, speed and power in doubles.
    stroke uniformity and placement in singles. of course a certain level of physical strength is still needed
     
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    At the top end its got a lot to do with thinking ahead, where is my opponent going too, what will this shot cause them to do, is there space to exploit, where should I be for the next shot.

    Lower down the food chain you can get away without using your brain half as much.
     
  5. jerby

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    Brain,
    Physical strength is not my thing, and players of my level are 'always' stronger/faster, maybe plain 'better'/'sharper'...But I'm, what coudl you call it, tactically versatile, I can play many styles, and have a decent look ont he court..

    my problem however is that because I don't have my own playing style I always have to adjust to the opponent the first 3 rallies, or I get sucked into my opponents game (if he's better)

    So, I guess brain..Though I still smash a lot (but not brute power)
     
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    That is the beauty of badminton, you require both not just plain power.I cant smash well as my smash are not that strong.My smash are only used when i kill the point.

    Normally i would play a mixture of brains and body make the game so much more fun than just smash smash smash and shash.Do you think so ?

    The normal tactic i use is baseline line clear a few time then have a couple of drop shots and the smash.

    eheheh
     
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    Nah, Smash and its over, its only people who cant smash who say there’s no fun in it :p (it depends on your opponent and why your playing to be fair, recreational badminton I smash less against people who have little chance of returning one of my thunderbolts than those with cast iron defenses).
     
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    Speaking like a person who want to improve, blurry D. Welcome to the club.

    I think some people like to kill all the time and they are very very surprised when the shuttle comes back. This occurs even for people who been playing for a while.

    Some of these people would even try to kill at drop shot zone (doubles service line).

    On the other hand, some people like to set up shots. Given the same opportunity at the drop shot zone, they might try to do clear to corner, then do drop shot again. In conclusion, those people who has a lot of patience usually go on become good single players.

    I guess that bring back to a typical single/doubles player question. Without a big smash, it make it damn hard to win at doubles. WHile good fundamentals (my opinion in the importance would be footwork, clear and service) would get you a far way in singles. Also good stamina go hand in hand with good footwork, something i found out to be joyful for young people starting badminton.

    I guess if people want to improve in badminton they would learn more about setting up instead of killing. Then again, it's damn hard for anybody to be moving out of the comfort zone unless they want to play competition. In conclusion, those people who has a lot of patience usually go on become good single players.
    So many people say you cannot play against beginner, well you can just practice clear and other shots. Hell, it's much harder for you, i have tried that before.
     
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    Against a beginner a game would be a massacre.

    What I tend to do if they want a game is play left handed. Other than that in a none game environment I tend to stretch them round the court with drops and lobs.
     
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    It is not that i am not good in smashes.Just that i feel that if the game is filled with smashes it will jus too boring.I can dig any shuttle up just like LCW. If it was competitive i will smash. But if it is for recreational then rally a bit.After a long good rally you will be wanting more.

    I have been playing badminton since I was 6.I play other sports too but i find badminton the most enjoyable one.
     
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    Good man, thank god there are people like you instead of those ones who jump/body smashing people from the backcourt. Put it this way, besides pride, what do they gain anyway?

    Once again speaking like a person who starts to appreciate the game. You get to appreciate executing and winning with skill shot rather than power shot (smash, DAP) when you want to improve. Congrats!
     
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    Hey that HK Hung.Well i really wish i had played like this when i was younger. I am too old to play championship level already.My dream was to be part of the malaysian team but i couldnt.SIgh oh well.Badminton for live!!!
     
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    Thank i mean HK Hung not that i made a typo error
     
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    both physical and mental must be equal...
     
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    same here :D and that's how you become a champion :D hehe :D ;) :)
     
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    It totally depends what level of play. In Canada B or lower players can rely solely on physical abillity. The best B players usually have decent physique but are smarter. A players have better physique but aren't necessarily smarter. At the highest level of international play all players are assumed to be in amazing shape so the player who has the trickest shots or greatest tactical play on a consistent basis will win the most. At the highest level players can push themselves soo hard its rare to see LCW, LD, WCH, PG lose because of lack of physical strength. Especially with the new scoring system.
     
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    Blurry D:

    You can still play comp at veteran's level? Can't you.

    I am confused, what is "this" you are referring in the statement of "i had played like" as above.

    True true when you want to play for comp. But people play for different reason,

    - to get fit
    - to play comp
    - to socialise

    Obviously, women who want to socialise and hit to each other won't be going to a club where everybody is smashing at each other.

    That's what makes finding a club to your level so hard.

    Eurasian:

    Absolutely true, it's only people who don't know much badminton wants to train for "kill" (the 110% power of jump smashing people), and they want a kill where they can execute from anywhere of the court.
     
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    That's what made baddy so much fun... a mixture of body and brains. Shot options are limited when you're not fast enough to recover, so it becomes more important to make shots that limit the recovery of your opponents thus forcing them to give you shots that allow you the most shot options possible.

    I don't mind rallying with beginners or giving them tips but personally I try to avoid playing with them because there's really not much fun for anybody.
     
  19. hkhung

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    I guess you must be very serious then. Be honest with you, i rather play with low level player who are serious instead of good player who are not serious. Especially the ones who are playing for a long time and don't want to improve. Like when you hit to their position, they smash really hard, but they just won't chase the shuttle unless they are really really in trouble.

    You know those ones that just won't cover for you when you are out of position? Bet ya if you play like that all the time in social, i would really like to see them in comp.

    I guess once you get a lot of options you get to decide which club suit u due to

    - are they aiming to play in comp?
    which lead to
    - do they really want to improve
    - how physically fit are they?
     
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    Yes, I am quite serious about improving all the time. That's why I generally avoid lower pace games where I could slack off on my form. It's hard enough to get any faster at my age where fighting inertia is an uphill battle. I can't afford to slack off at all if I am to improve. That's why it's also pointless for me to partner with beginners who have unpredictable behaviours. Slight doubt could cause hesitation and usually it's more tiring to play with an abrupt flow of pace. Not too much fun unless you're a masochist.

    One show respect by getting serious. When a superior opponent doesn't play seriously against you and still kick your ass, then you got nothing to complain about but to go back and get better until the point where you could cause him some concern. Arrogant players usually start getting serious when they're about to lose in a tournament game. Even when they show contempt when you beat them, they'll respect you cuz you're a threat now:cool:. In casual games, don't expect them to get serious.

    HK Hung, those type of players you described are community league intermediate players who have their styles ingrained, they won't play in serious competition cuz either they have no interest or they know they'll get slaughtered. Players who have had training or know the proper doubles rotation would know when to back up their partners.
     
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