AldrichAxelson said:
{in post #1}
i would put myself as low intermediet skill wise, but movement and stamina would be high beginner. I play doubles, but would also like to train for singles to enhance stamina.
AldrichAxelson said:
{post #3}
it is often needed to do a lateral jump (china jump) during doubles, and this will result in landing on 1 foot, also scissor kicks usually have a little jump.
AldrichAxelson said:
{post #1}
I cant jump since i have a bad knee
Ballschubser said:
{in post #4}
You don't need a china jump or a scissor kick, they only get really mandatory at higher level play.
Without doubt he{the large badminton player on youtube} do it{scissor kick}, and it is okay, but he although has a higher risk if unjuring like here:...
Note- that clip there he trips not from doing a scissor kick.. he trips from doing a net shot and also he fell very skillfully, falling on that side, with the ankle roll to protect his ankle.. landing well as to not get injured, and his racket was alright. Be interesting to see how he falls if rolling his ankle doing a net shot on his racket side.
Ballschubser said:
He{OP/Aldrich} is a beginner, he has potential fear for his knees/ankle/health, he want to play badminton.
At this level, we are most likely speaking about hobby/school level, he will not need it yet. At league level it will get necessary, but not yet. Let him get into badminton, see how it evolves for him and then he could build up on this. Not everyone want to be a league player, I think, that the majority of players are not league players and that a very high percentage of these players aren't club players at all.
Even at our club, we have two groups, one who only play it at hobby level and a second group which plays in the league or are more ambiously.
PS:when you ever observe casual players playing badminton , you will get a twitching eyelid as club/league player, but these people have fun, there's no reason to devalue their game or motivation.
ballschubser said:
Can you please quote here, because I didn't see like I said anything like this
. If lower level is the same as just below pro level and not hobby level, you should rethink your view of who actually play badminton and at which quality, I speak about the most likely majority of players and not about just below the tip of the iceberg.
Okay now it's clear what level you are talking about re no scissor kick!!
The thing is, the players you are talking about, basically within the bottom 70% in a non-selective club most of which the attitude of
"Look, i'm just here to have fun, OK, That guy over there is so serious.. "
(heck, i've been to selective clubs where 70% have that attitude!!)
Aldrich is within that 70% but seems to be the type that climbs up and looks at the top 30%, the med-high intermediate players, and wants to get there..
Or let's say he's like typical school level so below low intermediate. But he wants to get to a good club level.
Would you say that the footwork at good club level would involve a scissor kick?
ballschaber said:
"Even at our club, we have two groups, one who only play it at hobby level and a second group which plays in the league or are more ambiously."
when you look at the two groups.. the second group is the next level from the first group.. And the second group is or is largely, intermediate level..
He seems to be ambitious. and puts himself currently at "low intermediate skill wise" with "high beginner" footwork.
We agree that the players in a club that don't do scissor kicks aren't like the large badminton player you linked to who has advanced skill, (and ui'd say he knows which scissor kick would be intensive and can do an easy version of scissor kick there using his ability to hit a high enough clear on the RTH side, That guy would probably beat most of the top 30% of the club, at doubles at least(and maybe at singles partly since most people at clubs don t play singles). The players in a club that don't do scissor kicks would be fine falling out of the court. The bottom 70%.)
The bottom 70% don't get coaching or if they do they don't take it that far.. they don't do 1-1 for years. But those that do any coaching at all would normally be taught about scissor kicks and not told to not do them..
Posting on a badminton forum is within the level of, a person that looks to get coaching.. that's ambition there beyond many of the players in a club.
I think he has ambition to get beyond the players that make your eye twitch or the players that are a laugh to watch or that make better players cover their eyes .. (though some of us can watch videos of ourselves and have a laugh or cover our eyes cos stuff happens that isn't exactly professional level!!).. (Actually i'm sure even pro level players react like that seeing themselves when they recognise their errors!).
I think at club level one probably doesn't have to do a china jump..
The thing is, if somebody has a bad knee.. they may well be screwed while they have a bad knee. If they play it can get worse.. Best to let it heal.. if it heals,. And know exactly how it got injured, so e.g. best to have video... And it may be months to heal. So e.g. maybe not playing for months. Some people find knee braces work for them. Though what is the state of their knees. One thing somebody with bad knees can do is have some coaching lessons that focus on specific things that don't put their knees under stress. but games can be a hazard particularly if knees aren't healed.
I did once know a coach that would teach footwork with no lunges and no scissor kicks.. a very beginner level coach that was old fat slow and with very severe injuries that prevented him playing. He never said that he wasn't teaching that though, that was just his footwork! e.g. from the T, taking three steps to get a net shot. And for the scissor kick he never called it that he just called it footwork and when he demonstrated it it never had any bounce back in part. It was a scissor kick rather like the video of that large guy.
10 minutes its doubles mind me 