2011 Korea Open PSS: Finals Day (Sunday 30-Jan)

[Bbn]

Could also be strategy and psychology off and on the court.

Like someone says LD is the master of disguise, he shows his true colors only in the final and

does things opponents dont expect him tf course his team mates know him only too well.

One of the strategies is playing on opponent's emotions.

It is not only limited to China and Art of War, Denmark has always used such tactics in the past and Frost as coach

will always teach his charges this element.

 

[jasonmarc]

i say this kind of person saying that should not play badminton at all....

He shd not even watch badminton at all,...its an insult to the sport !!

Just ignore him !

 

[OldBadFan]

Could also be strategy and psychology off and on the court.

Like someone says LD is the master of disguise, he shows his true colors only in the final and

does things opponents dont expect him tf course his team mates know him only too well.

One of the strategies is playing on opponent's emotions.

It is not only limited to China and Art of War, Denmark has always used such tactics in the past and Frost as coach

will always teach his charges this element.

To a certain extent I do concur. On court it's like a battle field. If you are referring to Sun Tze's Chinese Art of War, it's applicable.

 

[OneToughBirdie]

IMO; Datul Lee's situation is such that after so many defeats by the same player couple with high
expectations that he had to shoulder, he must be bogged down by the thought that if could actually do it.
I had never doubted his capabilities, a more relax and light hearted warrior on court is the one I would like to
see of him in his next encounter with LD. With that kind of attitude I presume he would stand a better chance.

Agree with you. I have posted once in 2006 (I think) when LM left and LCW WR was down to 6, the pressure/expectation was off and he played LD in Swiss Open..in that tourney, he played a relaxed, patient, drop and rally game and he beat LD and the gang and went on to win SO.
LD is now entering a different phase in his playing style, no more those run and gun, diving defense, high tempo game, in KO11 MSF against LCW, LD is not 100% fit and you can see LD puffing, sucking in air which he never does before...just the thought if LD is super dan once again, with Thing by his side, to beat him would be very hard. And London is his favorite hunting ground.

 

[Bbn]

To a certain extent I do concur. On court it's like a battle field. If you are referring to Sun Tze's Chinese Art of War, it's applicable.

yes I was referring to the principles of the 36 strategies. I think players and coaches from certain countries seem to

have this kind of strategic thinking.The best eg.should be Li Mao especially when he was a player.

 

[OldBadFan]

Agree with you. I have posted once in 2006 (I think) when LM left and LCW WR was down to 6, the pressure/expectation was off and he played LD in Swiss Open..in that tourney, he played a relaxed, patient, drop and rally game and he beat LD and the gang and went on to win SO.
LD is now entering a different phase in his playing style, no more those run and gun, diving defense, high tempo game, in KO11 MSF against LCW, LD is not 100% fit and you can see LD puffing, sucking in air which he never does before...just the thought if LD is super dan once again, with Thing by his side, to beat him would be very hard. And London is his favorite hunting ground.

I'm impressed by your ever intricate watchful eyes. To LD fitness is just but one factor, being hard to beat is another but I also see the fire in him diminishing unless he is provoked. Let's wait and see if Datuk can be levelheaded and show the world what he is really made of.

 

[OldBadFan]

yes I was referring to the principles of the 36 strategies. I think players and coaches from certain countries seem to

have this kind of strategic thinking.The best eg.should be Li Mao especially when he was a player.

Oh yes Li Mao! How I wish he 's still Datuk's coach.

 

[AlanY]

i always believe that LCW is as good as LD. what LCW needed is a good coach(s) to bring the best out of him both in major t'ments and particularly against LD. MS is not good enough as the results shown time and time again. isn't it ironically that LCW probably had one of his best match against LD without MS at courtside?

 

[Pakito]

In such a close match, outcome could have tilted either way, instead of criticizing the losing party or praising the winning side, we should just appreciate the performance and excitement these players brought us. How many more years and times these 2 will play against one another with this high octane performances? Congratulation to Lin Dan and bravo to Chong Wei, 2 true world #1 players in different respect.
China Ja Yu, Malaysia Boleh(can't we just get along? )

True indeed, if either one retires, it is then we will reminisce the good old days of quality and exciting high class badminton matches. For instance, since the retirement of Zhao Jianhua, it was a long time before i could enjoy quality badminton matches until these two came about.

 

[chris-ccc]

It's all history now - LCW played and lost without his coach, Misbun Sidek

i always believe that LCW is as good as LD. what LCW needed is a good coach(s) to bring the best out of him both in major t'ments and particularly against LD. MS is not good enough as the results shown time and time again. isn't it ironically that LCW probably had one of his best match against LD without MS at courtside?

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Isn't it ironically that LCW probably had one of his best match against LD without MS at courtside?

IMHO, during that match, LCW must have been hoping that MS was at courtside. I am sure that MS could help.

But it's all history now - LCW played and lost without his coach, Misbun Sidek.
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[pBmMalaysia]

True indeed, if either one retires, it is then we will reminisce the good old days of quality and exciting high class badminton matches. For instance, since the retirement of Zhao Jianhua, it was a long time before i could enjoy quality badminton matches until these two came about.

Don't worry we all have until London 2012 to enjoy the best matches

 

[chris-ccc]

We all have until London 2012 to enjoy the best matches

Don't worry we all have until London 2012 to enjoy the best matches

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How many LCW-vs-LD matches would we expect to witness from now to the 2012 Olympic Games?

For me, I would guess: 'not many'.

Why? CBA is trying to study how other CHN players (other than Lin Dan) can match up with LCW's skill.

In other words, LYB will be trying to fix matches for LCW to face other CHN players (and not for LCW to face LD).
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[pBmMalaysia]

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How many LCW-vs-LD matches would we expect to witness from now to the 2012 Olympic Games?

For me, I would guess: 'not many'.

Why? CBA is trying to study how other CHN players (other than Lin Dan) can match up with LCW's skill.

In other words, LYB will be trying to fix matches for LCW to face other CHN players (and not for LCW to face LD).
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But I thought given the new bwf ruling,

Ld should be playing in more tourneys this year

so that means more chances

Or unless something crop up again, sending those soldiers to meet lcw

 

[chris-ccc]

BWF has not tighten up the 'Walkover' rule

But I thought given the new bwf ruling,

Ld should be playing in more tourneys this year

so that means more chances

Or unless something crop up again, sending those soldiers to meet lcw

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But BWF has not tighten up the 'Walkover' rule (and I shall say that BWF won't be able to do so).

Therefore, we can expect Lin Dan to participate in more tournaments from now on.

But at the same time, Lin Dan will give many 'Walkovers' to many of his teammates.
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[nokh88]

True indeed, if either one retires, it is then we will reminisce the good old days of quality and exciting high class badminton matches. For instance, since the retirement of Zhao Jianhua, it was a long time before i could enjoy quality badminton matches until these two came about.

1st sentence : It's a sad scenario and some feeling of emptiness.
2nd sentence : ZJH was great and one of my favourite but after him there were Heryanto Arbi and later Taufik. You didn't like these two?

 

[HiddenPower]

when in the heat of a game, your mind will "forget" the injury. Of cause, it will come back right after everything cools down.

Ld sure was uncomfortable in set 1 when LCW cleared deep to his backhand, his backhand or overhead clear fell short and was easily put down.

That could be some sort of injury, but surprisingly in the closing stages of the final set, that problem disappeared and he was able to play and move like OLY 2008, getting behind the shuttle easily.

 

[OneToughBirdie]

But I thought given the new bwf ruling,

Ld should be playing in more tourneys this year

so that means more chances

Or unless something crop up again, sending those soldiers to meet lcw

WZM, CL and DPY had their try-outs against the WR1 and lost badly. If these fellas don't improve in a hurry, LYB will go with the more reliable gang of CJ & BCL to accompany LD to OLY12. LD will play SS to qualify as WR1 or 2 in OLY12, as long as in opposite half of LCW. The best scenario is CL in LCW half, hopefully beat LCW or tire him out even if CJ lose. And if BCL in LCW half, so much the better.
OLY gold is the #1 target for CHN as it is a worldwide event and CHN would want to retain her #1 position with the most gold medals won beating out USA, not these WCs or SSs, in which USA, RUS, UK govts don't give a hoot and basically played between the usual 5 countries. If it is not for LCW, LYB may not even need LD and LD could retire, just that LYB does not have anyone reliable and bankable to deal with LCW, that he needs LD and of course, winning a 2nd OLY gold for LD would seal his Best Ever status.

 

[Jonc108]

What an amazing match and classic showdown it was.

Although I always maintain a neutral stand as a badminton fan, I've been critical of LCW. Not of his skills but of his antics and bad attitude towards opponents. My previous observation of him was; he had a mindset that he's best of the lot, and loses only it was because of unreasonable circumstances.

But after today's final dual, there's not a doubt in my mind that he is able to change and showed me that he is a player of true caliber. Those cocky attitudes are gone and he is finally able to concentrate on his own game and bring out the best of LD to beat him.

Skill wise and physically I would say both of them are on par. But unfortunately, it was Datuk’s poor temperament and lack of concentration at the finishing line that loses out.

Judging by his performances (at this tourney I meant) I don't think LD is injured and we have to give credit to SS who has definitely improved by leaps and bounds. I would say LD is a very shrewd player who knows how to pace himself and conserve energy for crunch matches. IMO, this is why Datuk who always play his heart out could not get the better of him thus far. Nevertheless, if he could maintain such classy performance like today's and not falter towards the end, I'm confident it won't be long for him to have his day.

Having said all that, I hope die-hard LCW fans could finally be humble enough and come to terms with the fact that “There's always a higher mountain” and give credits and respect to whoever they are due.

Finally, I hope this will settle the debate between LCW and LD die-hard fans;

WORLD No. 1 status undoubtedly belongs to LCW because his attendance and success rate at individual tourneys which offer ranking points is second to none. Judging by his current ranking point's status I don't see any player will be able to surpass him in the near future.

Without a doubt both LCW and LD are the two best players at present. If we were to compare their achievements and head to head, then the rightful candidate for the WORLD'S BEST PLAYER (up till now) must be LD. Our beloved Datuk might have to wait a little while longer to take that accolade from him, I guess.

Fair enough?

Well said. Agree with you... pity that many sad fans had left this thread after the match and would not able to share the view...

 

[OneToughBirdie]

I'm impressed by your ever intricate watchful eyes. To LD fitness is just but one factor, being hard to beat is another but I also see the fire in him diminishing unless he is provoked. Let's wait and see if Datuk can be levelheaded and show the world what he is really made of.

Fitness and mental strength are perhaps the 2 key attributes to SuperDan. In a title that LD wants to win, any challenger must be mentally and physically prepared to go 3-set, high pace and the bigger the tournament, the better LD plays. In KO11, Simon said LD was slow, that is because LD was not fit as in OLY08 to play that all out, run-and-gun, fast pace style of badminton. This KO11, it is obvious LD was pacing himself.
LCW was very fit in KO11, coming off a string of SS wins, WR1, spanked CHN youngsters (no easy feat though) and still lost to LD who has not played in a while and from the puffing in KO11, was not 100% fit but still had enough to win. That is a scary thought come OLY12, as we can expect LD to be 100% focus on that 2nd gold (history making and all the real gold he would harvest thereafter), bring along Thing to guide him, his body guards to wear out or even KO LCW, and in London where LD played his best badminton. If I bet today, (sorry pBm, while I would like to see a MAS win, my loyalty is to my buck), my last buck on LD

 

[mb111]

yes I was referring to the principles of the 36 strategies. I think players and coaches from certain countries seem to

have this kind of strategic thinking.The best eg.should be Li Mao especially when he was a player.

In any sports, especialy the final between LCW vs LD, a good player will always do whatever they can to outperform his (or her) opponent. Playing smart or strategy is vital, obviously this is not new to everyone.

Could anyone please share some good examples when a player (such as Li Mao or etc) would win their games by playing smart badminton? Or, who are the smart players that you know of?