2016 XiamenAir AUSTRALIAN Open Superseries : Round of 16 (9th June)

Nine Tailed Fox said:
Let's hope Lin Dan wins the Olympics and LCW wins every SS from now on till he retires.
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Realistically speaking, LCW couldn't possibly win every SS from now on. LCW is looking forward to his maiden OG gold medal. He is not even sure that he will continue to play after 2016 Olympics. If he retires after 2016 Olympics, Indonesia Open would be his last SS. If he can still play on, he has openly said he would like to keep his promise to play until SEA Games 2016, which means he would miss WC 2017. He will probably retire without world title. As for now, his biggest goal is to achieve his first OG gold medal. As far as LCW is concerned, as long as he steps on court, he will always try to win. But he rarely play all 12 SS in a single calendar year. As a top 10 player, he would need to play another 3 non-premier SS and 2 SSP to fulfill his commitment. Assuming that he is going to play the minimum amount of tournaments in the latter half of 2016, he would play 9 SS and possibly 1 SSF. That's all my guess at this point.
 
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Let's hope LCW can play his best at the upcoming 2016 Olympics. Win or lose... We can all appreciate that he is a great player that gives his best.
 
Nine Tailed Fox said:
Well, LD himself associates his name with the 18 World titles. According the him,the most precious one to him is 2004 Thomas Cup.
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That's how China counts world titles. Unfortunately, it's not recognized by BWF. I don't really blame LD for that since he grew up in such environment. At times, he didn't even quite understand how BWF's regulation works. Maybe it's due to his poor mastery or zero-mastery of English. He only needs to go to BWF web site to check for himself. If you look at how he interacts with court officials, I pity him quite a lot; not being able to communicate at all. Most Chinese players couldn't understand English. Perhaps BWF should make all regulations available in Chinese?

Or, other than training the players to play badminton, China should teach the players to understand and communicate in English.
 
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It would seem that not using best effort to win a match is a serious offense. In fact, it's called "corruption offense".

http://system.bwf.website/documents/folder_1_81/Regulations/GCR/Part III Section 1A - Appendix 5 - Code of Conduct - Betting, Wagering and Irreegular Matche Results - 26 May 2016.pdf

I would quote certain paragraphs which I think is relevant.

1. Every athlete has the right to compete in clean and fair sport which is fair from manipulation. It's a fundamental principle of sport that the outcome of a match is determined the skill of the players, and anything that attacks the integrity of a match brings the whole of the sport into disrepute.

1.1.6 Covered Person: refers to any Player, Related Person, or Tournament Support Personnel.

3. Corruption Offenses
3.2.2 Any player's not using one's best efforts to win a match

5.1 Any Covered Person who commits any Corruption Offense defined in this code shall be deemed to have breached this Code. Breaches of this code constitute the basis for disciplinary action against the Covered Person.

5.2 The disciplinary process may lead to a Covered Person being fined, banned from entering an arena or
an arena floor for a stipulated period, banned from the sport for a period of time or for life or any other
disciplinary action defined in the BWF Judicial procedures.

If you truly support any player, you shouldn't defame him by saying that he is not trying to win a match.
 
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thljcl said:
That's how China counts world titles. Unfortunately, it's not recognized by BWF. I don't really blame LD for that since he grew up in such environment. At times, he didn't even quite understand how BWF's regulation works. Maybe it's due to his poor mastery or zero-mastery of English. He only needs to go to BWF web site to check for himself. If you look at how he interacts with court officials, I pity him quite a lot; not being able to communicate at all. Most Chinese players couldn't understand English. Perhaps BWF should make all regulations available in Chinese?

Or, other than training the players to play badminton, China should teach the players to understand and communicate in English.
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But HKV also called himself 'World Champion' on his facebook page. Also wrote 'We are world champions' couple of times

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thljcl said:
It would seem that not using best effort to win a match is a serious offense. In fact, it's called "corruption offense".

http://system.bwf.website/documents/folder_1_81/Regulations/GCR/Part III Section 1A - Appendix 5 - Code of Conduct - Betting, Wagering and Irreegular Matche Results - 26 May 2016.pdf

I would quote certain paragraphs which I think is relevant.

1. Every athlete has the right to compete in clean and fair sport which is fair from manipulation. It's a fundamental principle of sport that the outcome of a match is determined the skill of the players, and anything that attacks the integrity of a match brings the whole of the sport into disrepute.

1.1.6 Covered Person: refers to any Player, Related Person, or Tournament Support Personnel.

3. Corruption Offenses
3.2.2 Any player's not using one's best efforts to win a match

5.1 Any Covered Person who commits any Corruption Offense defined in this code shall be deemed to have breached this Code. Breaches of this code constitute the basis for disciplinary action against the Covered Person.

5.2 The disciplinary process may lead to a Covered Person being fined, banned from entering an arena or
an arena floor for a stipulated period, banned from the sport for a period of time or for life or any other
disciplinary action defined in the BWF Judicial procedures.

If you truly support any player, you shouldn't defame him by saying that he is not trying to win a match.
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Ofcourse Lin Dan is/was trying to win the match. No doubt about his intentions.

But he was trying to win the match in 2nd Gear not Fifth, that's why some eyebrows were raised.
 
Nine Tailed Fox said:
Ofcourse Lin Dan is/was trying to win the match. No doubt about his intentions.

But he was trying to win the match in 2nd Gear not Fifth, that's why some eyebrows were raised.
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Are you trying to say that he is not using his best effort? Don't make wild accusation. It's not reasonable to expect every player at his best condition every day.
 
Nine Tailed Fox said:
That means Hans K Vittinghus has one world title under his name automatically.

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What Vittinghus said isn't wrong. Because he said "We are the world champions". That is true. Because as a team, Denmark won the World Team Championship. But as individual, Vittinghus is not a world champion. There is only one reigning world champion right now. That is Chen Long.
 
By the way, has you ever heard Gill Clark called him as world champion while commentating his match yesterday? Don't kid yourself. Did Gill Clark call Jan Jorgensen world champion last week when she commentated his match against LCW? He was called NO. 5 seed.
 
thljcl said:
Are you trying to say that he is not using his best effort? Don't make wild accusation. It's not reasonable to expect every player at his best condition every day.
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Yes. That's the cheeky truth. He was in his 2nd Gear. Jonatan Christie also recognized this. He said LD was slow and not playing his best.
 
Nine Tailed Fox said:
Yes. That's the cheeky truth. He was in his 2nd Gear. Jonatan Christie also recognized this. He said LD was slow and not playing his best.
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Not playing his best and slow meant LD couldn't maintain his form. It's different from not using his best effort. In fact, LCW commented that it's not realistic to expect LD to have the same physical strength, endurance, speed, and stamina as he did four years ago. LD was looking to improve his condition but he felt the time is short. If LD breached the code of conduct, disciplinary action awaits him.
 
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thljcl said:
What Vittinghus said isn't wrong. Because he said "We are the world champions". That is true. Because as a team, Denmark won the World Team Championship. But as individual, Vittinghus is not a world champion. There is only one reigning world champion right now. That is Chen Long.
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If Denmark is the World Team Champions. Then Vittinghus has every right to say that he has won one world title.
 
thljcl said:
Nope. Vittinghus≠Denmark. He certainly cannot do it alone.
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But the fact remains that Vittinghus has won the Gold Medal at World Men's Team Championship.

So Chen Long is the World Champion(counts the most)
HKV and co are the World Men's Team Champions
And Lin Dan and co are World Mixed Team Champions

Each one counts as a world Title.
Good Night.
 
Nine Tailed Fox said:
But the fact remains that Vittinghus has won the Gold Medal at World Men's Team Championship.

So Chen Long is the World Champion(counts the most)
HKV and co are the World Men's Team Champions
And Lin Dan and co are World Mixed Team Champions

Each one counts as a world Title.
Good Night.
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Individual title is different from team event. Hence, Vittinghus is not a world champion. But Denmark is the current holder of Thomas Cup. Vittinghus was a member of Denmark's Men Team of 2016 Thomas Cup Finals. Who was the winner of 2016 Thomas Cup? Vittinghus or Denmark? The answer should be pretty obvious. It's a team tournament; not individual tournament.

As a matter of fact, Vittinghus did not win a medal from Thomas Cup. Because of Denmark's victory, all members of Denmark Men's team received the gold medals from Thomas Cup.
 
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