weeyet
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I watch the games at TV, i like the photograph angle where it is taken from top view when the doubles is serve
21-point is better
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weeyet
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I think the new system will benefit many Malaysian player
Han
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Somebody, not something
Bottom line, badminton is not getting popular so something has to be blame, so the scoring system is the scape goat. In my opinion, somebody who's running the badminton association should be blame, not something like 15-point scoring system.
Bottom line, badminton is not getting popular so something has to be blame, so the scoring system is the scape goat. In my opinion, somebody who's running the badminton association should be blame, not something like 15-point scoring system.
LongReach
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Neil Nicholls said:
Yeah, I don't think there were any rallies when I watched that were long rallies at all. I would agree it is around 8-10 shots
FEND.
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Your arguments about rallies getting shorter is wrong. Matches finish quicker yes but that means its getting less rallies rather than the rallies themselves getting shorter.
Fine, I might be wrong on average rallies per game, but isn't it still the same with the old scoring?
Fine, I might be wrong on average rallies per game, but isn't it still the same with the old scoring?
Inky2000 said:
It is still too early to say. However, players who have an open mind and who are very keen to switch and adapt to the new system instead of being 'forced' to would benefit initially. Longer term it will be a level playing field, as a new generation of players will take over and they wouldn't know what the old system was all about.
LongReach
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FEND. said:
Yes it would be close.
However i am a very tactical player........when I have serve I play differently than if getting served to.
When i get served to.....I play more of a defencive game and play more 'high percentage shots' , shots that i have little chance in making errors.
When serving I play more aggressively, I play alot of steep smashes and sharp drops. As I have the safety of losing serve and not a point.
This new system would mean changing my tactics....which have served me well.
I have the ability to adapt, but i feel with the new system I would choose a more deffencive game.........for the whole game and seldom play aggressively.......might be boring, as when I have the serve I play like an animal and when I don't i play very defencively trying to draw the opponents own errors.
FrenziedEye
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haha yes...tactics all different.
i was watching Lee Chong Wei (MAS) play Aamir Ghaffer (ENG) in the mixed teams events gold medal match,
score was 21-8 and 21-8
Seriously, if it was the 15 point system that was clearly a score similiar to 15-2 15-0 ---> thrashing
Big gap in talent, but with this new scoring system, we'll begin to see top players becoming more human!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Games will be much closer; it is so very hard not to concede a point!!!!
I dont think ive ever seen a 21-0 ......closest one was Stuart Brehaut (AUS) vs some Kenyan guy....he was leading 17-0, then gave away one point....21-1 at the end...
my two cents --> dont know what you think of that guys!
i was watching Lee Chong Wei (MAS) play Aamir Ghaffer (ENG) in the mixed teams events gold medal match,
score was 21-8 and 21-8
Seriously, if it was the 15 point system that was clearly a score similiar to 15-2 15-0 ---> thrashing
Big gap in talent, but with this new scoring system, we'll begin to see top players becoming more human!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Games will be much closer; it is so very hard not to concede a point!!!!
I dont think ive ever seen a 21-0 ......closest one was Stuart Brehaut (AUS) vs some Kenyan guy....he was leading 17-0, then gave away one point....21-1 at the end...
my two cents --> dont know what you think of that guys!
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wedgewenis
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better my ass -- all the best matches i've seen in badminton have been long ones... and now they have made the game shorter... call it shortminton
there are far more people complaining than complimenting the new system
and there is virtually nobody who wants to play the new system over the old outside of pro badminton
The new scoring is just a random change to the game they made with very little forethought in my opinion .... as far as my experience, I've played since I was 13 i guess thats about 12 years since i'm 25 years old now ... I haven't once in that time heard a single player complain about the scoring system ..nor anyone from other sports who played badminton - from like tennis or whatever.. yet it somehow needs changing?
there are far more people complaining than complimenting the new system
and there is virtually nobody who wants to play the new system over the old outside of pro badminton
The new scoring is just a random change to the game they made with very little forethought in my opinion .... as far as my experience, I've played since I was 13 i guess thats about 12 years since i'm 25 years old now ... I haven't once in that time heard a single player complain about the scoring system ..nor anyone from other sports who played badminton - from like tennis or whatever.. yet it somehow needs changing?
taufik-ist
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wedgewenis said:
but tennis is longer than badminton, tennis men single can last 3 - 4 hours
LongReach
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FrenziedEye said:
Lol....
I was there too.
He gave a charity point I think....... Way too good!.If there is no tie break at 20 all......then the maximum rallies possible in a game to 21 would be 41 rallies. if there is a tie break of 3 points then 46 rallies maximum in a game.
Stuart Brehaut was one player I could never beat in junior tournaments, there was another guy but can't remember his name.
I stoped playing for 6 years....
I should have kept playing maybe I would have been a substitute or their water boy--------->lolm_poppema
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taneepak said:
Let's hope it'll never get this far!!
Come on guys, how can you be in favour of the new rules
Fend. have you played a lot with the new rules yet, it sucks (can't find other words)
Badminton = 15*3 without rallypoint!!
Using the rallypoint rules it feels it ain't badminton anymore :crying:
Funny..nearly 80% of the people who participated in the polls are against this all (also on the dutch forum)
And still we are afraid to have to deal with new regulations..
If 80% of badmintonlovers is against all this, there's no way Punch will get his 2/3 of the votes, right?
(wish it was this simple :crying
m_poppema said:If 80% of badmintonlovers is against all this, there's no way Punch will get his 2/3 of the votes, right?
(wish it was this simple :crying
If what you say is true then the decision is a sure bet that they will vote down the new system. Relax, there is then nothing to worry about. But what if you are wrong about the 80%? It is true that those who are against any change in anything, be it a new scoring system in badminton or a hike in taxes, are particularly vocal in their opposition. What about the delegates who will actually cast the votes? Perhaps they don't see this the same way as the '80% of badminton lovers' ? Perhaps more of them will think that the new system is just as good plus it will bring in more money. National badminton associations have to be able to support themselves and to generate funds, the more the better.
Actually the Commonwealth games badminton matches do not have to use the new system. I wonder why they chose it? Is it indicative of the wishes of the majority Commonwealth countries? If so, there goes your 2/3 majority. Also China has officially backed the new system, and China is not without influence over most Asian and third world countries. The vote will be a battle royal. It is going to be much closer than the seemingly impossibe 2/3 hurdle.
m_poppema
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taneepak said:
I know it will be Taneepak..
I just hope it will all be somehow democratical, it's ok to influence small countries in my eyes..
but if there's any money involved in 'influencing small countries' that'll be a bad thing!
ps. I think the poll is clear about the 80% though (at least last time I checked it)
m_poppema said:
But the poll is voluntary, and as such it only represents those who feel strongly against any change. A more accurate poll is to get the opinions of everyone, irrespective of whether they are against the proposal or they couldn't care less.
Also real leadership is called for here. The acid test is not whether the majority is for or against it; neither is it a popular vote. The results in the years to come will be the real judge as to whether the new system is good.
Just like in France now with the mass demonstration against the new labour law. I salute the PM of France for his leadership and far-sightedness.
Except for shorter matches (and of course, the confusion in doubles), there is no difference between the two systems. Whether you or your opponent serves, you try to win the rally regardless of the system (serving to the net is equally bad in both systems). So, the only major change is that the new system favours the player with less stamina.
Sometimes, it is really exciting to watch the service keep changing without any points scored. Sometimes, it is downright boring. Perhaps, it would have been more fun to see the players play catch-up on points, like table tennis.
My own preference: 5 x 15 PAR (point-a-rally)
Why? Well, I think the game should not be shortened. In thrashing games, the length stay about the same (42 points in 21x3 versus 45 points in 15x5) but in tight games, when it all goes down to the fifth game, it will be like the previous 15x3. I prefer PAR because there is a certainly that a point will be gotten. I only see server-gains-point in women's squash now. Other sports have adopted PAR.
Sometimes, it is really exciting to watch the service keep changing without any points scored. Sometimes, it is downright boring. Perhaps, it would have been more fun to see the players play catch-up on points, like table tennis.
My own preference: 5 x 15 PAR (point-a-rally)
Why? Well, I think the game should not be shortened. In thrashing games, the length stay about the same (42 points in 21x3 versus 45 points in 15x5) but in tight games, when it all goes down to the fifth game, it will be like the previous 15x3. I prefer PAR because there is a certainly that a point will be gotten. I only see server-gains-point in women's squash now. Other sports have adopted PAR.
The good thing about the new system is that the game is shorter and the players thus expose to lesser risk of injury. Furthermore, shorter play time is in favour of players with less stamina. Future badminton will not be a test of strength but a test of tectical game play. As a result we can see more older players stay in their careers, making the sport more competitive.