Camcorder Recommendation for Badminton

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  1. ctjcad

    ctjcad Regular Member

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    ^^Dear limsy..^^

    ..i don't have the detailed answers to your queries, but hopefully this link will give a better explanation. Please let us know if you're still unclear after you read the link:
    http://www.camcorderinfo.com/d/Reviews&level_b=Camcorder&level_c=HD.htm

    Btw, yes, HD camcorder is (currently) the best for recording anything; not just baddy.:cool:
     
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  2. limsy

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    as u would know
    i do read tru this whole thread
    and i do found taht link that un post before
    i already try to get info from there
    but as a beginner like me
    i dont think i understand:(
    ok,the only question remain is
    do mega pixels of camcorder need to be consider?
     
  3. Mini Me

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    megapixels is a digital still camera concept. for a fixed sensor size you can have a different pixel density = different megapixel count.

    video resolutions are fixed. 1920x1080 "full hd" is always 2073600 pixels. there's no such thing as 4 megapixel full hd. common resolutions are 1920x1080 (full hd), 1280x720 (hd), 720x576/480 (pal/ntsc dvd), 320x288/240 (pal/ntsc vcd).

    for video you also have to worry about progressive/interlaced recording. interlacing effectively means you only get half the vertical resolution compared to progressive scan.

    hd and hdd are not related. hd (high definition) = any video with higher vertical resolution than dvd. hdd (hard disk drive) = a storage medium.
     
  4. limsy

    limsy Regular Member

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    oh
    thanks alot^^
    i get it now:)
     
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    As a viewer, 720p seems to work better for action than 1080p probably due to the refresh rate. Not sure about exact specs but just my own observation as a viewer.
     
  6. ctjcad

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    Dear limsy..

    ..well, Mini Me is just too nice to give all the explanation...;)
    - Which part are you still confused about after reading that link? Hopefully you understand what are HD and HDD..
    - I was going to ask if you see any mention of megapixels count or not (on the specs) when you're shopping for a camcorder?
    If you don't see, then that's your answer.

    In technical term, yes, there are pixels/megapixels involved when using a camcorder (although they don't generally mention it). Do you know a camcorder can take still pictures? And yes, when you take still pictures (or even recording), you'll be taking them in certain (mega)pixels:
    http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Canon-Vixia-HF-S10-Camcorder-Review-37333/Product-Tour.htm
    http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Panasonic-HDC-TM300-Camcorder-Review-37105/Product-Tour.htm
    ..720p sends full images 2x faster than 1080
    720p=60 full frames/images per second
    1080=half of that
    but
    for non-action images, picture quality is much better with 1080..
     
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    thanks for every kind soul:D
     
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    so how is it, limsy?

    u wanna buy a HD Camcoder next and record some interesting matches in stadium putra?:D
     
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    Isn't there a Class 10 SDHC Card that made by Sandisk?
     
  10. Mini Me

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    it depends what format your broadcaster is using. 720 lines is always progressive - there's no 720 interlaced format. 720p can be 24/25/30/50/60 frames per second. the smoother appearance is due to 50/60fps (pal/ntsc). you can see the same effect with 576i x 50 fields per second tv material compared to 576p x 25 frames per second.

    1080 lines can be interlaced or progressive. 50/60fps must be interlaced - 50/60 progressive is not within hdtv specs. 1080p allows 24/25/30fps.
     
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    ^^Well..^^

    ..let's hope our limsy is not confused by your explanation...;)...limsy??..;)
    limsy, i've another idea. perhaps this is a "slightly cheaper" route.:)
    How about, instead of getting a brand spanking new HD camcorder, how about if you get a P&S digital camera which comes with HD recording option.
    Let's take this camera, for example, the Sony SX20 IS. Last checked, cost is around $360 (RM 1,203). Plus you add (2) 32 GB SD card which cost around $160 (RM 535).
    You add them up, and you'll only spend abt $520 (RM1835) + you get 4 extra GB of storage.
    Now, compare w/a brand new decent HD camcorder, with a 60 GB HDD, which will probably cost, at least, $600 (RM 2005).
    Another advantage of owning a P&S camera is you'll get to shoot pictures with it (at least better than a camcorder). Also, you''ll get better zoom with that P&S camera. A camcorder, esp. an HD one, doesn't have enough zoom power.

    Here, several video samples from youtube of the Canon SX20 IS HD recording (check out the clarity):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guGjuUeBTMY
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfu_pfj3zUU&NR
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2gcqstyQLI (night/low light recording)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdaKwHrhfMo (night/low light recording)
     
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    i already have a semi pro camera
    and i already go and see the price
    it is affordable if i want to buy
    but surely not now:p;)
     
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    sandisk, panasonic, transcend, kingmax all make class 10 sdhc. not sure about other companies. toshiba just showed off a 64gb sdxc.
     
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    I could find a 16Gb for just above that price today. This was in Mongkok.
     
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    Couldn't find a Pana TM350. They also told me the TM300 is out because a new model will come out in a few months. The lifecycle for camcorders is very fast.

    Since I do need a camcorder now more than later, I bought the HS300. I like that fact it can also record on to SD if the HDD fails(!)
     
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    ^^Congrats..^^

    ..on your new camcorder. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Besides the SD card option, it can also shoot @ 10+ MP for still images, not too shabby.:cool:

    I guess you'll be watching the videos either on your camcorder or tv? And in case you want to convert the .mts files to avi format, you can try using this software (yes, i've used it also):
    ApecSoft M2TS to AVI MP4 DVD Converter 1.7.0
    http://apecsoft.com/
     
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    Very useful advice
     
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    if you are thinking of converting to AVI then your target is probably to replay the files on computer. H264 (AVC) provides better quality (at the same bitrate, or same quality at lower bitrate) than any VfW codec that works with AVI containers so you wouldn't want to convert your videos to AVI format anymore. you can use MeGUI + AviSynth + x264 to compress your panasonic hs300 files to lower bitrate AVC files.
     
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    ^^About those..^^

    - Yes, the intent is to play them on my PC/laptop and also to upload to youtube.
    - H264 or MPEG4, as in the the compression codec? If so, that program has that capability (has a codec option for mpeg4 avi). I've used it before to convert the m2ts files to mpeg4 avi files. AVI is just for the container/file format.
    - Need more than 1 program to compress??:confused:
     
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    Do you edit the video file as m2ts first or after?

    What program are you using? Friends tell me iMovie is easy but I don't have a Mac. What alternative is there but is also fairly intuitive?
     

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