China Dominance In Ws CANT LAST LONG

Loppy said:
I don't have a problem with Chinese domination, but the thing is all chinese players are coached similarly and therefore play with a similar style. If you look at mens singles, I find it interesting because the players from non-china countries all have their own style, ie. Gade with his deception, Taufik with his backhand and net play, Lee Chong Wei with his defense, Jonassen with his fighting spirit, and the best matches are played between two players with different styles. When two chinese players play, it's all about who's faster and makes less errors, and Chinese vs Chinese matches are never interesting.
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I see no logic in this one.

Who ever said under the same coach or within the same team, all the players must be either identical or very similar? There are about 100+ (if not 200) national team players in BeiJing alone! Do you even know all the names? I would love to see they are all similar, then we have 100+ LD in the world. :p

Btw, do ur really think say LD and XXZ have the same style of playing? Do you think ZJH and YY are the "identical twins"? :eek:
 
Loppy said:
I don't have a problem with Chinese domination, but the thing is all chinese players are coached similarly and therefore play with a similar style. If you look at mens singles, I find it interesting because the players from non-china countries all have their own style, ie. Gade with his deception, Taufik with his backhand and net play, Lee Chong Wei with his defense, Jonassen with his fighting spirit, and the best matches are played between two players with different styles. When two chinese players play, it's all about who's faster and makes less errors, and Chinese vs Chinese matches are never interesting.
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I can't quite agree here, all top five Chinese MS has it own characteristic and they don't play quite they same. I don't see BCl being as explosive as LD, while CH has very good stroke technique.

I enjoy to watch any top players playing, but of course it would bring more tension if it is between two nations.
 
Loppy said:
I don't have a problem with Chinese domination, but the thing is all chinese players are coached similarly and therefore play with a similar style. If you look at mens singles, I find it interesting because the players from non-china countries all have their own style, ie. Gade with his deception, Taufik with his backhand and net play, Lee Chong Wei with his defense, Jonassen with his fighting spirit, and the best matches are played between two players with different styles. When two chinese players play, it's all about who's faster and makes less errors, and Chinese vs Chinese matches are never interesting.
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simple answer.
LYB and tian fu use those style on their players because it work and wins tournaments. U fault china for that?:rolleyes:
 
I just can't see CHN dominance in men and women events, except for now MD, cannot last...take a look at WS, I cannot even name all the young CHN WS players in one breath....sure one super talent may emerge and give CHN a good run...but CHN has waves after waves of talented players coming up...while the rest of the world basically depend on the same players day in day out, until these players either age like a good bottle of wine or worn themselves out (eg LCW)...talk about respect for CHN badminton players...as PG implied, the rest of the world has a lot of work to do catching up...How can anyone hate CHN players, they provide us a lesson/treat with the way they play the game.
 
Ah_Shum said:
well..in my opinion Chinese domination is a good thing cuz I'm Chinese and I'm proud to know that players in China are dominating the world..its the world's problem that they cant catch up or meet the standards of China..my favorite players have always been Chinese players..who have class AND skill..unlike several other countries which love to get cocky
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Li Yongbo was and still is cocky... :mad: Ok, maybe he is an exception. I heard he had 'chemestry' problems with almost every Chinese player from his generation, with exception maybe of Tian Bingyi [his former doubles partner]. Even the Chinese players [of his generation] think he is cocky, not just us non-PRC guys...

Ok, this thread is about Chinese WS dominance. Sorry, I just have to make my comment on Li Yongbo. He is not an example of 'class'. Remember his "I'll break your bones" comment against Lee Chong Wei etc.

I do agree that many Chinese WS players are examples of 'class'. From Li Lingwei all the way to Xie Xinfang... :cool:
 
Krisna said:
Li Yongbo was and still is cocky... :mad: Ok, maybe he is an exception. I heard he had 'chemestry' problems with almost every Chinese player from his generation, with exception maybe of Tian Bingyi [his former doubles partner]. Even the Chinese players [of his generation] think he is cocky, not just us non-PRC guys...

Ok, this thread is about Chinese WS dominance. Sorry, I just have to make my comment on Li Yongbo. He is not an example of 'class'. Remember his "I'll break your bones" comment against Lee Chong Wei etc.

I do agree that many Chinese WS players are examples of 'class'. From Li Lingwei all the way to Xie Xinfang... :cool:
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drop the whining about LYB because continuing this whining wouldn't help your dismal (INA) WS result nor shape up your 'not so perfect' pbsi.
 
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Krisna said:
Li Yongbo was and still is cocky... :mad: Ok, maybe he is an exception. I heard he had 'chemestry' problems with almost every Chinese player from his generation, with exception maybe of Tian Bingyi [his former doubles partner]. Even the Chinese players [of his generation] think he is cocky, not just us non-PRC guys...

Ok, this thread is about Chinese WS dominance. Sorry, I just have to make my comment on Li Yongbo. He is not an example of 'class'. Remember his "I'll break your bones" comment against Lee Chong Wei etc.

I do agree that many Chinese WS players are examples of 'class'. From Li Lingwei all the way to Xie Xinfang... :cool:
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lolz U wanna talk cocky??..have u looked @ Koo Kien Kaet and Tan Boon Hong???...NOW THAT'S COCKY..
 
A pictorial illustration of china WS domination

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(ps. it's just cooler's humor, don't quit badminton because of it:D)
 

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there's no such thing as dominating forever.China may be at its prime time now,like any other countries been,and will be.Remember,chinese players back then cant even beat indo players back there,when indo at its prime time.So,i guess,china should not be over confident,otherwise it'll back-crash them
 
cooler said:
it from the current aviva open, zhang ning unloading a missile on a japanese gal:D
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Hahaha..sweet revenge in a badminton way!I bet some chinese ppl will be happy to see that moment..:D
 
Sometimes,dominance can light up to some improvements in others.So,as long as the chinese r not cocky for their dominance,i guess it's healthy.It's a good way though..to push other countries to strive for more,and bring some more competition in the badminton championships.
 
cooler said:
drop the whining about LYB because continuing this whining wouldn't help your dismal (INA) WS result nor shape up your 'not so perfect' pbsi.
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:rolleyes: ..... ah never mind lah... :rolleyes:
 
cooler said:
drop the whining about LYB because continuing this whining wouldn't help your dismal (INA) WS result nor shape up your 'not so perfect' pbsi.
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Well..yeah,it wont help:(..but i think if he said that words to LCW,dont u think it'll bring up some bad point of view to the public:eek:?
I gotta admit,some chinese players and even the coach is still cocky somehow:(.I still remember when LD refused to wear the traditional malay hat in malay open,somehow showed to the public how arrogant he is:eek:.Or,when LYB said that to another player.Where's the sportivity:eek:?I'm chinese but honestly i dont like their attitude or anyone who do that:cool:.So does other ppl think,i guess.They're just really aiming for the ranking,by joining any kinds of championships,whether it's an important one,or small ones,or simply almost every one of it,unlike other players:D.So,their top ranked players doesnt really mean that they're the best in the world..;)
 
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fu/cai vs MAL
when fu/cai lost to kkk/tbn during their early encounter, it was a wake up call for china team to up their MD standard and find answers to beat the rising stars of MAL pair kkk/tbn and lww/ctf. China team has to solve this challenge before the 08 OG. It look like china had attained this task ahead of schedule, beating both lww/ctf and kkk/tbn in 2 consecutive tournaments. Now i'm sure rexy now looks for holes in fu/cai pair to do damage before the 08 OG. Problem is, from my view, fu/cai don't seem to have much weakness to be exploited. They have up the speed and power and defence from 2006.

BCL vs TH
china team also had found the answer to TH. Now china has at least 2 (LD and BCL) weapons against TH. As more many reasons of ld pullout, one might be that LYB want to test the new and improved bcl against taufik and other adversaries. Yes, LD is still faster but now i see bcl no longer play like a girl - he is attacking more. What short webcasting i had watched, LYB had turn bcl into a TH clone:p Now u see BCL plays the style very similar to TH's tactic, good nets and forcing more lift from TH for bcl to smash on. Mix that with pushing TH to the back, this is the combo need to beat TH.

Yes, there are excuses from the TH fans like, oh TH is still injured or TH is need to be more fit. Well, TH was well rested, prepared and focused coming into IO because he has an objective to win the 7th IO title. To further support what i said, TH beats chen jin and boonsak in 3 sets. Don't tell me TH isn't fit in this IO. Both CJ and BP are young and have every potential to beat TH.

Problem
Although china's MD and MS have improved, less attention was paid to their WS top dogs. Not a big concern if xxf and zhang ning know this and sharpen up by 08 OG;) plus young guns lan lu and lin zhu keep on improving and up to snuff by 08 OG

So far, the china XD isnt very consistent. Hope the new pairs improve by 08 OG as well.
 
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cooler said:
fu/cai vs MAL
when fu/cai lost to kkk/tbn during their early encounter, it was a wake up call for china team to up their MD standard and find answers to beat the rising stars of MAL pair kkk/tbn and lww/ctf. China team has to solve this challenge 2007 before the 08 OG. It look china had attained this task ahead of schedule, beating both lww/ctf and kkk/tbn in 2 consecutive tournaments. Now i'm sure rexy now looks for holes in fu/cai pair to do damage before the 08 OG. Problem is, from my view, fu/cai don't seem to have much weakness to be exploited. They have up the speed and power and defence from 2006.

BCL vs TH
china team also had found the answer to TH. Now china has at least 2 (LD and BCL) weapons against TH. As more many reasons of ld pullout, one might be that LYB want to test the new and improved bcl against taufik and other adversaries. Yes, LD is still faster but now i see bcl no longer play like a girl - he is attacking more. What short webcasting i had watched, LYB had turn bcl into a TH clone:p Now u see BCL plays the style very similar to TH's tactic, good nets and forcing more lift from TH for bcl to smash on. Mix that with pushing TH to the back, this is the combo need to beat TH.

Yes, there are excuses from the TH fans like, oh TH is still injured or TH is need to be more fit. Well, TH was well rested and prepared coming to IO because he has an objective to win the 7th IO title. To further support what i said, TH beats chen jin and boonsak in 3 sets. Don't tell me TH isn't fit in this IO. Both CJ and BP are young and have every potential to beat TH.

Problem
Although china's MD and MS have improved, less attention was paid to their WS top dogs. Not a big concern if xxf and zhang ning know this and sharpen up by 08 OG;) plus young guns lan lu and lin zhu keep on improving and up to snuff by 08 OG

So far, the china XD isnt very consistent. Hope the new pairs improve by 08 OG as well.
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Well...my response is that..@ least China is dominating the indonesian open right now
 
Problem???..

cooler said:
Problem
Although china's MD and MS have improved, less attention was paid to their WS top dogs. Not a big concern if xxf and zhang ning know this and sharpen up by 08 OG;) plus young guns lan lu and lin zhu keep on improving and up to snuff by 08 OG

So far, the china XD isnt very consistent. Hope the new pairs improve by 08 OG as well.
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...what problem??..they have representatives in all of the events in the current Indonesian Open, incl. WS(1st stringers or not)??..looks fine with me..:p :D ;)
 
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