yuquall
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Hmm.. I have always thought it was Li the weak link of the two. Liu is definitely the weaker in terms of attacking power, but never the weak link. It has always been Li whom the opponents usually target most of the time, too.
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It's safe to say that Liu Yuchen is in top 5 or even top 3 front court player in the world right now. just need his partner to be more consistent.
What's a "natural doubles player"? I know that FHF and CY started their training as singles players before they were paired.
antssantss
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Players who play instinctively with spatial awareness. They are very creative in returns and can spot the oppositions "weaknesses". Examples are Han Cengkai, Yuta Watanabe, Hendra Setiawan and even Lui Yuchen.
yuquall
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I think the best example in CHN team of a natural double player would be Zhang Nan. The only thing he lack is just smashing power and good partner at the moment.
I thought you said LYC wasn't a natural doubles player. If he developed his ability over time is he really a "natural"?
GingerCorslette
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LYC is definitely the more creative of the two. I feel that whenever if Li Jinhui jumps to attack, 95% of the time it's gonna go down full power with minimal angle. Seldom disguised drop shots or angled smashes. Good idea but will wear him down.
antssantss
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Yes he wasnt, but as i said i was surprised and it looks like it can be turned around. The one we would wish to turn around is Zhao Haodong. And yes Zhang Nan is a great example. Sorry I missed him our
j4ckie
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I wouldn't go that far. Even in his early days FHF was a beast, just had weaknesses in some areas. LYC has weaknesses he'll never address FHF did his. He'll have his time, but I don't think he's going to enjoy sustained success the way really talented players did (LYD, FHF, HS,...). Let's see.
antssantss
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Yes he wasnt, but as i said i was surprised and it looks like it can be turned around. The one we would wish to turn around is Zhao Haodong. And yes Zhang Nan is a great example. Sorry I missed him out. Thanks
j4ckie
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Then clearly your definition of natural is lacking. Something natural isn't learned. If you mean tactically astute, that can be learned, improved over time, but something natural is innate.
I do agree that he is not a naturally great player, just like he's not a very gifted athlete (compared to a lot of his team mates, he isn't even athletic at all). I wouldn't declare him natural, gifted, or anything - but from how he improved and how effective he is, I would guess that he's a hard worker even by Chinese players' standards. Obviously he has some gift or ability, or he wouldnt be able to play at this level at all, but compared to other elite players he is very much on the hard work and training side of things rather than the natural ability and grace side
pretty much the complete opposite of players like TTY, KSS or HS
or most of the top Indonesians. R/R, Tony/Candra/Halim/Sigit. Those are great players playing in a golden era.
antssantss
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If I may put it another way, a natural doubles player is one who takes to this category with enjoyment and finesse, without hesitation and fear and with confidence. You may call it tactically astute.
In a way they are naturally suited to that type of game. Anyway its good that over time one can learn to achieve the confidence needed to play in a court wuth 4 players and limited space.
Thanks for your clarification. If I misuse the word natural my apologies.
In a way they are naturally suited to that type of game. Anyway its good that over time one can learn to achieve the confidence needed to play in a court wuth 4 players and limited space.
Thanks for your clarification. If I misuse the word natural my apologies.
antssantss
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At the Crown Australian Open, of the two Chinese MS players only Sun Feixiang proceeded to the next round overcoming Koki Watanabe in three sets. This is their 5th h2h and SF has won all. But this time it was tougher. Ren Pengbo on the other hand lost easily in straight sets to June Wei Cheam. Was it because JWC has improved or RP was not well?
antssantss
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Great, June Wei Cheam and Sun Feixiang will meet at the next round.
antssantss
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June Wei Cheam now has a 2-0 H2h record against Sun Feixiang. And in this meeting it was in two sets.They last played in 2014 when he went down in 3 sets. So JWC has progressed. Sadly China's MS has lost. Back to the drawing board. Wonder when we can see them again?
I think sun feixiang got exhausted by the tough match with koki watanabe who is a much better player than june wei cheam.
As predicted june wei cheam lost to wan tzu wei. Probably sun feixiang lost to him because he got exhausted by the match with koki watanabe. He has to improve his stamina at least to play 3 matches a day because he has to play qualification rounds due to his lower world ranking.
Current zhan jun's management is doing a great job. They are sending juniors & second team players for internaitional tournaments to gain much needed experience and to increase their rankings.They seem to be have big plans for di zijian & wan chan, specially for di zijian.
Right, that's what Sun Feixiang must do, be able to handle two to three matches a day for the qualification round(s) if he is to progress to the main draw.