Lee Chong Wei ( 李宗伟 )

^ i'd surmise that wada/bwf doesn't want any athlete to be on any drugs that severely masks any dangerous type of pain during the competition period... in order to protect the athlete him/herself
 
sonnymak said:
I cant understand BWF rules. Dexamethasone is allowed during recovery but not during competition. This is a steroid approved by WHO as one of the essential medication. Inflammation is very dangerous, most doctors do is to treat the inflammation. LCW was in lot of pain.

To bring down the inflammation Dexamethasone was used. Now why ban Dexa during Competition is non sensical.

If two players were carrying some injury and are feeling pain and muscle sore in that they cant play their normal game I donT see how Dexa would give any advantage to them when they meet each other if both of them take Dexa to ease bring down the imflammation to bring down the pain.

If LCW meets CL and LCW feels pain and take Dexa to bring down the pain, I dont see how Dexa could enhance LCW's power vis-a-vis CL other than LCW would not be feeling more pain on the injury. One must remember, Dexa only controls the inflammation but does not heal the injury. So LCW would still be playing with an underlying injury.
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According to the article below, Dexamethasone is known to have been used as a masking agent for other banned and unblock steroids. Which in itself, is a good reason why it may be banned for use during competition:
http://www.exrx.net/AnabolicSteroids/EludingTechniques.html
 
sonnymak said:
I cant understand BWF rules. Dexamethasone is allowed during recovery but not during competition. This is a steroid approved by WHO as one of the essential medication. Inflammation is very dangerous, most doctors do is to treat the inflammation. LCW was in lot of pain.

To bring down the inflammation Dexamethasone was used. Now why ban Dexa during Competition is non sensical.

If two players were carrying some injury and are feeling pain and muscle sore in that they cant play their normal game I donT see how Dexa would give any advantage to them when they meet each other if both of them take Dexa to ease bring down the imflammation to bring down the pain.

If LCW meets CL and LCW feels pain and take Dexa to bring down the pain, I dont see how Dexa could enhance LCW's power vis-a-vis CL other than LCW would not be feeling more pain on the injury. One must remember, Dexa only controls the inflammation but does not heal the injury. So LCW would still be playing with an underlying injury.
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The following explains why glucocorticoids (such as Dexamethasone) are banned in sports.

Glucocorticoids are steroidal hormones. The best known are cortisol (also called hydrocortisone) and cortisone.

These substances relieve fatigue and inflammation and act as mental stimulants. They also increase users’ tolerance for pain and enable them to sustain efforts that would be unbearable under normal conditions.

Prolonged use of glucocorticoids can have the following side effects:

* fragile tendons and muscle tears
* slower healing of wounds
* sodium and water retention which can result in edema and weight gain
* fat deposits around the neck and face
* hyperglycemia (increased blood sugar), which increases the risk of diabetes
* increased secretion of stomach acid, which increases the risk of ulcers
* local and general infections

Symptoms of glucocorticoid abuse can range from chronic fatigue and declining performance to cardiovascular failure that may lead to death.

Use of glucocorticoids can also result in physical dependence.

http://www.cqld.ca/livre/en/en/20-doping.htm
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It is further explained by mindfields.

mindfields said:
One aspect of any sport is protection of the players from abuse by Management/coaches (or even self abuse).

Accelerated healing/pain killers can be abused by management/players to take short cuts & risky treatments in an effort to keep playing in competition or to train harder than the body can normally sustain.

Taking a recovery drug outside of competition may be allowed as a valid treatment.

The rules may have been designed to allow use of the drug but require that the drug is completely out of the system to prevent the player from being rushed back into competition before they're actually ready & risk causing even more damage to themselves in the long term.

For example boxing has mandatory "medical recovery suspensions". This is supposed to protect boxers who have been knocked out & possibly have concussion from fighting again before they recover fully. Why would a boxer still want to fight while concussed? For some it's money & making a living, for others its not to miss the opportunity of a title fight. etc.
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[MENTION=56594]pcll99[/MENTION].

Did you notice poor healing and accelerated healing were both mentioned in your quotes?

People don't take dexamethasone for normal treatment of pain. No athlete would accept the side effects that you quoted;)
 
pcll99 said:
Yes just notice.

Maybe accelerated healing in the short run, but poor healing in the long run?
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To be honest, I didn't reply to mindfield's post because of being tired of explaining very simple things. His argument is very simplistic. However, very few sportsmen will take dexamethasone regularly once knowing that there are catabolic effects on the muscle - muscle wasting.

Pain relief is simply not on the agenda. It would need big doses intravenously in the order of 0.1 to 0.15 mg/kg as a bolus dose administered less than 24hours beforehand. This dose can produce a feeling of vigor but that probably cannot last more than two days unless dexamethasone was given daily.

It's a drug that I come across very often for medicinal treatments - hence fairly confident of the intricacies of using it.

One fact I cant remember if stated was the levels of the drug in the urine. If very low, there is unlikely to be effects such as pain relief, vigor for that person.
 
Cheung said:
To be honest, I didn't reply to mindfield's post because of being tired of explaining very simple things. His argument is very simplistic. However, very few sportsmen will take dexamethasone regularly once knowing that there are catabolic effects on the muscle - muscle wasting.

Pain relief is simply not on the agenda. It would need big doses intravenously in the order of 0.1 to 0.15 mg/kg as a bolus dose administered less than 24hours beforehand. This dose can produce a feeling of vigor but that probably cannot last more than two days unless dexamethasone was given daily.

It's a drug that I come across very often for medicinal treatments - hence fairly confident of the intricacies of using it.

One fact I cant remember if stated was the levels of the drug in the urine. If very low, there is unlikely to be effects such as pain relief, vigor for that person.
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I say stupid things every now and then. But you and kwun are still kind enough to reply to me politely. Thank you.
 
Well, looks like LCW is suing Razif (Misbun and Rashid's brother) over the allegations he has taken banned substance over a period of time.... this is going to be nasty.

KUALA LUMPUR — World No 1 Lee Chong Wei confirmed he is suing Razif Sidek for alleging he has been using banned substances for a long time.

The former national shuttler Sidek had told Kosmo on Nov 11 that several Badminton Association of Malaysia officials were aware Chong Wei has been taking banned substances for some time, but kept mum as he is the world’s top shuttler.

He also alleged Lee hired a foreign doctor to treat him.

“My lawyer sent him a letter a few days ago and we will settle this matter in court. He (Razif) had called me to apologise after receiving the letter, but what’s done is done,” fumed Lee, who had tried without success to contact Sidek when the story first broke.

“I can’t let this go because he defamed me.

“As a former shuttler, I’m sure he knew better than to make false allegations against me — especially during these trying times. He has hurt not only me, but the entire country with his comments.”

The two-time Olympic silver medallist added: “Why don’t you (the press) try and contact him to see what he has to say?”

Efforts to get in touch with Sidek proved futile.

Lee is under provisional suspension after traces of dexamethasone were found in his urine samples taken during the World Championships in Copenhagen, Denmark, in August.

Dexamethasone is an anti-inflammatory substances used to aid rehabilitation and is permitted outside competition as it is not a performance enhancing drug.

Athletes can only use it during competition if they fill up a Therapeutic Use Exemptions form.

Chong Wei’s case will be discussed by the Badminton World Federation Doping Hearing Panel later this month.

He faces a maximum two-year ban but could receive a lighter sentence as he as an exemplary record having passed 124 anti-doping tests in 15 years. THE MALAY MAIL ONLINE
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http://www.todayonline.com/sports/lee-chong-wei-takes-former-national-shuttler-court?singlepage=true
 
Good example of the saying...

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
 
SibugiChai said:
where u buy it ?

Pharmacy around my area not selling
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I'm actually an asthmatic fellow. Cheung is right, regular use of this meds is muscle-wasting. After a while, you muscle tires easily, as if it can't support your body's movement in quick reflexes. My doc actually advise me to take calcium and vit d supplements. I'm only 40. But what the heck, I'm also an avid user of the inhaler too. Dexamethasone is a double-edged sword, it accelerates healing, but not performance.
 
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/sports/article/chong-wei-takes-razif-to-court

KUALA LUMPUR, Dec 2 — World No 1 Lee Chong Wei confirmed he is suing Razif Sidek for alleging he has been using banned substances for a long time.

The former national shuttler Razif had told Kosmo on Nov 11 that several Badminton Association of Malaysia officials were aware Chong Wei has been taking banned substances for some time, but kept mum as he is the world’s top shuttler.

He also alleged Chong Wei hired a foreign doctor to treat him.

“My lawyer sent him a letter a few days ago and we will settle this matter in court. He (Razif) had called me to apologise after receiving the letter, but what’s done is done,” fumed Chong Wei, who had tried without success to contact Razif when the story first broke

“I can’t let this go because he defamed me.

“As a former shuttler, I’m sure he knew better than to make false allegations against me — especially during these trying times. He has hurt not only me, but the entire country with his comments.”

The two-time Olympic silver medallist added: “Why don’t you (the press) try and contact him to see what he has to say?”

Efforts to get in touch with Razif proved futile.

Chong Wei is under provisional suspension after traces of dexamethasone were found in his urine samples taken during the World Championships in Copenhagen, Denmark, in August.

Dexamethasone is an anti-inflammatory substances used to aid rehabilitation and is permitted outside competition as it is not a performance enhancing drug.

Athletes can only use it during competition if they fill up a Therapeutic Use Exemptions form

Chong Wei’s case will be discussed by the Badminton World Federation Doping Hearing Panel later this month.

He faces a maximum two-year ban but could receive a lighter sentence as he as an exemplary record having passed 124 anti-doping tests in 15 years.
 
This Razif, what's going on in his mind? Trying to say something false in broad daylight? I thought surely he must be in the right mind to say such a thing... but now...:confused:

eaglehelang said:
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/sports/article/chong-wei-takes-razif-to-court

KUALA LUMPUR, Dec 2 — World No 1 Lee Chong Wei confirmed he is suing Razif Sidek for alleging he has been using banned substances for a long time.

The former national shuttler Razif had told Kosmo on Nov 11 that several Badminton Association of Malaysia officials were aware Chong Wei has been taking banned substances for some time, but kept mum as he is the world’s top shuttler.

He also alleged Chong Wei hired a foreign doctor to treat him.

“My lawyer sent him a letter a few days ago and we will settle this matter in court. He (Razif) had called me to apologise after receiving the letter, but what’s done is done,” fumed Chong Wei, who had tried without success to contact Razif when the story first broke

“I can’t let this go because he defamed me.

“As a former shuttler, I’m sure he knew better than to make false allegations against me — especially during these trying times. He has hurt not only me, but the entire country with his comments.”

The two-time Olympic silver medallist added: “Why don’t you (the press) try and contact him to see what he has to say?”

Efforts to get in touch with Razif proved futile.

Chong Wei is under provisional suspension after traces of dexamethasone were found in his urine samples taken during the World Championships in Copenhagen, Denmark, in August.

Dexamethasone is an anti-inflammatory substances used to aid rehabilitation and is permitted outside competition as it is not a performance enhancing drug.

Athletes can only use it during competition if they fill up a Therapeutic Use Exemptions form

Chong Wei’s case will be discussed by the Badminton World Federation Doping Hearing Panel later this month.

He faces a maximum two-year ban but could receive a lighter sentence as he as an exemplary record having passed 124 anti-doping tests in 15 years.
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