CWB001 said:This, of course, is an excellent argument in favour of traditional scoring.
Well spotted and right on.

CWB001 said:This, of course, is an excellent argument in favour of traditional scoring.
Bbn said:It's true that in that game in Stadium Negara 1981 Prakash used a lot of delaying tactics in between serves that by today' s standards would have earned him a stack of yellow cards.In the semis he beat Chen Chang Jie winner of the World Games in Santa Clara a few months b4.
Strangely Prakash used those tactics only after 1981.
Previously he had beaten Liem Swie King 2 and 10 in the 1980 AE fair and square.
Now that's all history. If only someone has those matches to view,
should be very educational.
viver said:You are really a guy with great determination. Hope you'll succeed in finding these classical matches - and don't forget me as you know, I am a great admirer of the older players.
As for Prakash, as you noted, he started these tactics after 1981, maybe feeling age catching up?With the rally system, it would defenitely benefitted him under this circumstance.
viver said:Hi Chris@ccc,
What I think about this 21x3 system, it does not favour the better players but increase the possibility of an upset by not so strong players. Shorter games always benefit the players that with not good all-around skills. Have you played the 15x3 system but using 21 points instead?
As many already pointed out, there is not a basis for changing to this new scoring system other than demands by TV stations. But the big question remains, if this change will bring bigger TV coverage. Other sports did not change but are broadcasted here - curling, golf (we have a 24 hr dedicated channel here), tennis (how many hours you get with the Australian, Wimbledon, etc), fishing (we get hours and hours of fishing on TV here, you know), and even poker
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Don't know which of these activities appeal to you most, but I just wonder how these sports can have enough mass appeal without changing their rules dramatically. Why is badminton, the sport played by ?? of people and ranked xx place in the sports universe, according to IBF, needs to make this revolutionary - unpopular with many coaches and players to accommodate the TV stations? Need some enlightment here.
chris@ccc said:
I am playing and coaching players how to hit the feathers and cork at the same time during service).
chris@ccc said:The service does not disobey Law as you have stated.
OK, let us talk about how enjoyable rally21 is. When I am playing 3x15, I don't give up even if I am down 10-2 or 13-5 or some such ridiculous number. I can, and have, fought back and won (and also lostchris@ccc said:
But let us not talk about how good or bad we can play. Let us talk about how enjoyable we, with the rest of the new comers can play.
I am saying that the new rally-point system can provide a more enjoyable and encouraging game for all of us players , whether newer, younger, older, less fitter, less skilled, less experienced, etc... can play against the better skilled and the experienced.
Better players should not be upset if they find that their weaker opponents are now getting more points under the rally-points system. This will encourage newer players to return to play more.
chris@ccc said:
Hi viver,
If you can go to page 19 of this thread and find post #342.
That's my post reminding people not just to vote for the benefit to themselves. We must look at the bigger picture and put ourselves in the minds of many others, eg...
how non-players are viewing badminton as spectators how new comers to badminton respond to experienced players how woman players respond to male players how unfit players respond to very fit players how a young 10 year old responds to his/her 60 year old grandparent player how to encourage more players to play socially how low-skilled players respond to better-skilled players how new club players respond to clubs on their first few visits how not to allow experienced players dominate the game how we should allow professional players to earn more income how to encourage more players to play professionally etc...
And I know... most people voting in this poll are experienced and better skilled players. The others are too shy to make any comment because they think they should leave this matter in the hands of experienced players.
Loopy, in post #357, said that I am defending the new 21x3 system. If you read it very carefully in my post, you will detect that I am actually attacking the old 15x3 system. I think the old system was not encouraging enough new players to our beloved sport.
As for me, I am a very experienced player, playing many, many years of badminton. I can remember many of the developments in the rules of badminton. Lots of debates everytime.
Remember when you hit the shuttle with the frame of the racket instead of the strings and your opponent wins the rally(Funny that now, I am playing and coaching players how to hit the shuttle with the frame during net-play).
Remember when you were allowed to do the service by hitting only the feathers instead of the cork(Funny that now, I am playing and coaching players how to hit the feathers and cork at the same time during service).
Etc, etc...
Because I am a good player, under the 15x3 system, I can easily beat an average player by 15-0. With the same player, under the 21x3 system and if we play to 15 points, I can usually beat him/her by 15-2 or 3. So the new system makes the average player looks better.
I also consider myself of reasonable fitness. I have tried playing 15x3 system but playing to 21 points, as you have stated in your post. If you are fit, it is no problem. In fact, I have played badminton using the Tennis system when playing Tennis players, using Table-Tennis system when playing Table-Tennis system, using Squash system... etc,etc...
You and I have talked about the doubles services before. My services are execellent... even Top International Players find it hard to attack my service. On this note, I consider that I have the advantage when it's my turn to serve(when we are talking about doubles service).
But what I can do in my playing badminton is not important. It is just that in my opinion, the new 21x3 system can provide a better game for more people than for just a few experienced players.
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Hi Terry,terry said:I think we will see alots of comments from the players after the TC/UC.
chris@ccc said:Hi Terry,
Only a few professional players realise that the new point system can provide them with better income in the longer run, and that it can provide them with a longer lasting career.
crosscourt said:I think Ian Wright's comments are to do with the scheduling rather than the change in system. I don't think it's been suggested that the new system will result in injury-free players, just fewer injuries.