Best put in my bit of observation...after being "dragged" in by WWC's comment Did dropped in about a week ago just to hit around and I concurred with most of the observations made by others. As for the mat being less "grippy" it is all relative...If the mat is squeaky clean it will be be more "grippy" When I commented the mat is not as grippy...it is not that you will slide all over the place. It a million times more grippy that any wooden floor. It is a positive comment. The underpads, I feel is equal or better than C2. The back wall, well, it is there. The only other minor point is the net...the holes in the net are just the right size that if you smash into the net the shuttle will stuck there. So, another learning tool for "Why you must prepare for your smash" No comment on the comparison with Cameron Community Centre, as I have never played there before. Other than that, I enjoyed myself and thank you to Madbad, Richard, Edward & Tim. wood_chuck_22, Yeah the NSS 21-points I felt is great. I think as time goes, you can actually played an actual game..i.e the best 2 of 3. Exactly, it does creat a new approach to certain aspects of the game. wonder, if viver,taneepak,chai et al...are going to hijack this thread now Pete_LSD, way to go..playing with plastic birds.