some pictures....

Discussion in 'Badminton Photography' started by speCulatius, Jan 22, 2018.

  1. speCulatius

    speCulatius Regular Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2017
    Messages:
    562
    Likes Received:
    523
    Location:
    'round here....
    ... from the second German league. Unfortunately, the hall was very very dark, so I had to go above my cameras limits. There's some more on the album (should be linked via pictures). What do you think?

    If someone can tell me how to delete an image from an album, please tell me (one is there twice).

     
    phihag, kwun, Daniel™ and 2 others like this.
  2. s_mair

    s_mair Regular Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2013
    Messages:
    3,823
    Likes Received:
    2,016
    Location:
    Germany
    Given the bad lighting these are really good pics, thumbs up! I think ISO3200 is still borderline acceaptable on a D7000.

    Which lens did you use?
     
    speCulatius likes this.
  3. speCulatius

    speCulatius Regular Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2017
    Messages:
    562
    Likes Received:
    523
    Location:
    'round here....
    Sigma 50-150/2,8; pretty good at 2,8 already; still quite compact (the version without optical stabilizer); not produced anymore, I think

    ISO3200 on a D7000 is acceptable to view on a (FullHD) sceen or for prints around 10cm*15cm, but not much more. I was surprised to have that little light in a hall used for first and second Bundesliga.
     
    #3 speCulatius, Jan 22, 2018
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2018
  4. Cheung

    Cheung Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2002
    Messages:
    20,770
    Likes Received:
    2,632
    Occupation:
    wannabe badminton phototaker
    Location:
    Outside the box
    Good shots!

    High standard of play. I have to go iso 4000 in a local sportshall in HK. Lighting is usually the last thing to be considered for a match.
     
    speCulatius likes this.
  5. jyeung

    jyeung Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2008
    Messages:
    267
    Likes Received:
    146
    Location:
    VANCOUVER
    Stabilisation is generally not used for action photography. The rule of thumb is exposure time faster than 1/focal length. So for example, for a focal length of 150mm, it is not recommended to use stabilisation if the exposure time is set at 1/150 second or faster. For fast action shots, often times the stabilisation can cause some motion blur instead. :(
     
    visor, speCulatius and Cheung like this.
  6. speCulatius

    speCulatius Regular Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2017
    Messages:
    562
    Likes Received:
    523
    Location:
    'round here....
    Thanks to all of you.

    For FX cameras, this still is not too bad, for a DX camera something like 1/(1,5*focal length) is better, considering the resolution of modern cameras, 1/(2*focal length) might not even be safe (looking at single pixels). Actually, I just looked at the D850 (FX) and with more than 40 million pixels, even for FX cameras the rule of thumb should be adjusted....

    For badminton, the exposure time cannot be short enough enough if you want to freeze the action, so this rule of thumb will not be the limiting factor and thus stabilisation is not needed. I just mentioned it, because the newer version of that lens does have it, but it also grew to the size of a 70-200/2.8 which doesn't make sense to me. ;)

    @Cheung
    ISO 3200 or 4000 is not that big of a difference, maybe I should have done that, too. I was surprised by the bad lightning since it was a match in the second German league and the first league matches of the same club are played there, too. Even some halls I play in are brighter than this one.
     
  7. s_mair

    s_mair Regular Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2013
    Messages:
    3,823
    Likes Received:
    2,016
    Location:
    Germany
    The effect of stabilisation, especially for action shots, is highly overrated. All you need is light, light and then some more light. I've inheritated a 20+ years old Nikon 80-200/2.8 (without stabilitsaion of course) which produces sensational pictures on my D610 (FX). If only the autofocus wasn't soooo slooooow and is wasn't sooo heavy.... :confused:

    I feel like good badminton pictures need to have a maximum possible freezing effect to really come to life. I figured that you have to get the exposure down to less than 1/500 or even 1/800. Good thing with the FX is that you can go up to ISO 6400 and still get acceptable noise. An example:

    DX, F5, 1/160s, ISO 1600:
    DSC_5429-001.JPG
    Quite some motion blur, especially in the leg. It just doesn't have that "FREEZE!" feeling to it.

    FX, F2.8, 1/800s, ISO 6400:
    SM6_3204.JPG
    ...now that's better!
     
    #7 s_mair, Jan 23, 2018
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2018
    speCulatius likes this.
  8. phihag

    phihag Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2014
    Messages:
    913
    Likes Received:
    563
    Location:
    Germany
    Love the photos, and also all the others in the album!

    I'm quite ashamed though that I didn't correct the display colors on the TVs until afterwards. That awful pink? It's really red (a little bit brighter than the jerseys), with the TV trying to make it seem "more natural".
     
  9. speCulatius

    speCulatius Regular Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2017
    Messages:
    562
    Likes Received:
    523
    Location:
    'round here....
    Of course you like photos of yourself. Who wants to play 'where is @phihag'?

    Just say that you wanted the color to match Kate's shoes.
     
    phihag likes this.
  10. stanleyfm

    stanleyfm Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2017
    Messages:
    1,815
    Likes Received:
    677
    Location:
    Delft
    Is that Kate Foo Kune? Is she basing in Germany during competition period?
     
    speCulatius likes this.
  11. phihag

    phihag Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2014
    Messages:
    913
    Likes Received:
    563
    Location:
    Germany
    It is! She's playing for TSV Trittau 2 in the 2. Bundesliga Nord (2nd strongest division) in Germany. She has an impressive 11:0 record in singles so far. TSV Trittau 1 fields Indonesian-born Priskila Siahaya.
     
    stanleyfm and speCulatius like this.
  12. kwun

    kwun Administrator

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2002
    Messages:
    40,148
    Likes Received:
    1,161
    Occupation:
    BC Janitor
    Location:
    Santa Clara, CA, USA
    there are some nice shots in the album. you have a knack for good timing, capturing some unique action.

    the camera setting is ok. technical side of setting the ISO and shutter speed is the easy part of badminton photography. the hard part is seeing and anticipation of good moments.

    also i suggest do some generous cropping of the shots if deemed necessary. if the surrounding of the player action isn't contributing to the composition and context of the photo, crop it out. otherwise it will only serve as distraction.
     
    speCulatius likes this.
  13. Munigrinn

    Munigrinn New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2019
    Messages:
    6
    Likes Received:
    1
    Occupation:
    art
    Location:
    Berlin
    Good pictures!
     
    speCulatius likes this.
  14. Munigrinn

    Munigrinn New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2019
    Messages:
    6
    Likes Received:
    1
    Occupation:
    art
    Location:
    Berlin
    Love the photos!:)
     
  15. speCulatius

    speCulatius Regular Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2017
    Messages:
    562
    Likes Received:
    523
    Location:
    'round here....
    Thank you! If you like these pictures, have a look what @s_mair did at the world championship. Much more impressive.
     
  16. Borkya

    Borkya Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2016
    Messages:
    428
    Likes Received:
    402
    Occupation:
    teacher
    Location:
    Xiamen, China
    Very nice. Helpful Youtuber and photographer? You're a double threat!
     
    speCulatius and phihag like this.
  17. speCulatius

    speCulatius Regular Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2017
    Messages:
    562
    Likes Received:
    523
    Location:
    'round here....
    I hope being a threat is positive. ;)
     

Share This Page