SSMF a big joke?
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george@chongwei
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lol. if u compare the tennis atp finals with badminton super series final.
u would see a BIG difference though.
u would see a BIG difference though.
that would be an understatement
Bad Scheduling
Like robin7 said, The SS Final should held on end of November. Give the rest the players on December, and the time could be used the some Badminton Association to hold the National Event.
Bad System
The limitation number every nation and no earned ranking points, this tournament more like Invitational rather than YEC event.
Bad Ranking Points System
As I said in 2007 that BWF Ranking Points is favour to journey men/women players, the players/pairs who played in a lot of tournaments.
For illustration :
one player/pair qualified in SS Final with record 8 lost in 1st round and 2 lost in 2nd round, if the results is implemented in WTA system, this player/pair has ranking lower than #100
Like robin7 said, The SS Final should held on end of November. Give the rest the players on December, and the time could be used the some Badminton Association to hold the National Event.
Bad System
The limitation number every nation and no earned ranking points, this tournament more like Invitational rather than YEC event.
Bad Ranking Points System
As I said in 2007 that BWF Ranking Points is favour to journey men/women players, the players/pairs who played in a lot of tournaments.
For illustration :
one player/pair qualified in SS Final with record 8 lost in 1st round and 2 lost in 2nd round, if the results is implemented in WTA system, this player/pair has ranking lower than #100
I agree with you 100%, Sandy.
Really, how hard to come out with a better ranking points? First round and second round losers and QF got smaller ranking points than the current ranking points.
A winner had to had at least 25% more points than the runner up.
*wink**wink* Just copied out WTA and ATP tennis ranking points systems. *wink**wink*
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not only should they just make the prize money more attractive but they need to focus on marketing and partner up with corporations for event sponsorships.
the bigger the audience in the event most likely attracts the big shots in sporting events. professional players will not play in small venues. the SSMF seems like a low-attendance event.
bad_fanatic
Regular Member
I seriously think that they should combined the SSMF and BWF World Championship into one tournament, and just call it the World Championship.
By doing that, you have the prestige name of the World Champion that all badminton player want to get. Second, you combine the prize money to make it look even more appealing.
By doing that, you have the prestige name of the World Champion that all badminton player want to get. Second, you combine the prize money to make it look even more appealing.
BWF MULL COMPULSORY PARTICIPATION FOR PLAYERS IN SUPER SERIES MASTERS FINAL Bernama - Tuesday, December
JOHOR BAHARU, Nov 30 (Bernama) -- In the wake of big names snubbing the US$500,000 (RM1.75 million) Super Series Masters Final here, the Badminton World Federation (BWF) are taking a deeper look at how to prevent a recurrence in future championships.
The Masters Final, the culmination of the Super Series, has already been hit by the absence of big names from China like Lin Dan, the current Olympic, World and All England champion, women's world number one Wang Yihan, reigning world men's doubles champions Cai Yun- Fu Haifeng since China had decided to send their best shuttlers to the East Asia Games starting in Hong Kong on Dec 5.
Also absent from the list are Sony Dwi Kuncoro and Beijing Olympics gold medal winning pair Hendra Setiawan-Markis Kido from Indonesia, due to their priority for the Laos SEA Games that starts on Dec 9.
It is reliably learnt that the BWF, the world governing body for badminton, are looking at a couple of proposals submitted by their marketing partner, Octagon Asia Ltd, to counter check, if not eradicate, the problem in future.
Among proposals submitted by the Beijing-based company which won the marketing rights a couple of months ago, is to impose hefty fines on those who pulled out, unless on medical grounds. (LOL, i believe there're lots of doctors who can write u a sick leave note of your choice from their list of menu of ailments LOL)
--MORE
SPORTS-BADMINTON (SUPER SERIES) 2 (LAST) JOHOR BAHARU
As things stand, the present BWF ruling on withdrawals is merely a US$250 fine.
"Compulsory participation is the key, otherwise you will be hurt in the pocket. That's basically what the proposal has suggested," said a BWF source.
But the BWF themselves are caught in a bind, just like the dilemma faced by the world's best shuttlers because on one hand there is the obligation to their respective nations and the other, their commitment to the game from which they earn a living.
"Perhaps it's just pure bad timing this year. This is the Sea Games period and also the East Asia Games, two of the biggest regional Games in their respective regions.
"I am sure if these two Games were not being held around the same time as the Super Series Masters Final, things would have been different. But perhaps we will have to look at a more appropriate date in future," said the source.
--BERNAMA
DGC JRL
JOHOR BAHARU, Nov 30 (Bernama) -- In the wake of big names snubbing the US$500,000 (RM1.75 million) Super Series Masters Final here, the Badminton World Federation (BWF) are taking a deeper look at how to prevent a recurrence in future championships.
The Masters Final, the culmination of the Super Series, has already been hit by the absence of big names from China like Lin Dan, the current Olympic, World and All England champion, women's world number one Wang Yihan, reigning world men's doubles champions Cai Yun- Fu Haifeng since China had decided to send their best shuttlers to the East Asia Games starting in Hong Kong on Dec 5.
Also absent from the list are Sony Dwi Kuncoro and Beijing Olympics gold medal winning pair Hendra Setiawan-Markis Kido from Indonesia, due to their priority for the Laos SEA Games that starts on Dec 9.
It is reliably learnt that the BWF, the world governing body for badminton, are looking at a couple of proposals submitted by their marketing partner, Octagon Asia Ltd, to counter check, if not eradicate, the problem in future.
Among proposals submitted by the Beijing-based company which won the marketing rights a couple of months ago, is to impose hefty fines on those who pulled out, unless on medical grounds. (LOL, i believe there're lots of doctors who can write u a sick leave note of your choice from their list of menu of ailments LOL)
--MORE
SPORTS-BADMINTON (SUPER SERIES) 2 (LAST) JOHOR BAHARU
As things stand, the present BWF ruling on withdrawals is merely a US$250 fine.
"Compulsory participation is the key, otherwise you will be hurt in the pocket. That's basically what the proposal has suggested," said a BWF source.
But the BWF themselves are caught in a bind, just like the dilemma faced by the world's best shuttlers because on one hand there is the obligation to their respective nations and the other, their commitment to the game from which they earn a living.
"Perhaps it's just pure bad timing this year. This is the Sea Games period and also the East Asia Games, two of the biggest regional Games in their respective regions.
"I am sure if these two Games were not being held around the same time as the Super Series Masters Final, things would have been different. But perhaps we will have to look at a more appropriate date in future," said the source.
--BERNAMA
DGC JRL
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ctjcad
Regular Member
If they were to do that..
If i recall, IBF (previous name of BWF) used to hold the WB Grand Prix Finals (which also invited only the top 8 players/pairs of the yr) at the end of the yr (til 2005). And with pretty good success. The current SSMF is the "reincarnation" of that WBGP event.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Badminton_Grand_Prix
..then they have to change the usual date of the BWF World Championships from late summer to end of the yr. Will they be able to accommodate such change??..
If i recall, IBF (previous name of BWF) used to hold the WB Grand Prix Finals (which also invited only the top 8 players/pairs of the yr) at the end of the yr (til 2005). And with pretty good success. The current SSMF is the "reincarnation" of that WBGP event.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Badminton_Grand_Prix
bad_fanatic
Regular Member
I see your point.
However I just think that top shuttlers don't really care about the SSMF is because it's more or less just another tournament. There's nothing to it's name like the World Championship.
To me, there's nothing wrong with having the WC at the end of the season. The super bowl, world series, basketball championship, Formula 1, and so many other sports. The championship is held at the end of the season. Why can't badminton do that?
If you take out the WC in the mid of summer and put it at the end of the year, then you just push all the other tournaments up. The WC date will be the current date of Chino Open which was Nov 17-22.
Before the Super Series was introduced, the tournaments does not have a fix date. They changed from one year to another. If they can turn it into a fixed schedule, why can't they change the order or date of the tournament?
ctjcad
Regular Member
Partly..
Consider this also. This yr they have the SEA Games and East Asia Games. Those will occur again in 2 and 4 more yrs, respectively. If BWF keeps this SSMF and combine it w/ the WC at the end of the yr, will it not conflict with those 2 regional games??..Don't forget the Asian Games, the last one which was held near the end of the yr (next yr in Guangzhou as well).
But then, in the past, IBF was able to hold the WBGP events despite having those other regional games happening around the same time (granted some of those regional games occurred in other earlier months).
- BWF wants more exposure for badminton through the idea of providing & showing more tournaments. "The more, the merrier" type of mentality...
- If BWF were to combine and move the WC date, the national bodies would also have to agree on such schedule change as well as the other SS tourneys date change.
Consider this also. This yr they have the SEA Games and East Asia Games. Those will occur again in 2 and 4 more yrs, respectively. If BWF keeps this SSMF and combine it w/ the WC at the end of the yr, will it not conflict with those 2 regional games??..Don't forget the Asian Games, the last one which was held near the end of the yr (next yr in Guangzhou as well).
But then, in the past, IBF was able to hold the WBGP events despite having those other regional games happening around the same time (granted some of those regional games occurred in other earlier months).
- BWF wants more exposure for badminton through the idea of providing & showing more tournaments. "The more, the merrier" type of mentality...
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bad_fanatic
Regular Member
- If BWF were to combine and move the WC date, the national bodies would also have to agree on such schedule change as well as the other SS tourneys date change.
Consider this also. This yr they have the SEA Games and East Asia Games. Those will occur again in 2 and 4 more yrs, respectively. If BWF keeps this SSMF and combine it w/ the WC at the end of the yr, will it not conflict with those 2 regional games??..Don't forget the Asian Games, the last one which was held near the end of the yr (next yr in Guangzhou as well).
But then, in the past, IBF was able to hold the WBGP events despite having those other regional games happening around the same time (granted some of those regional games occurred in other earlier months).
- BWF wants more exposure for badminton through the idea of providing & showing more tournaments. "The more, the merrier" type of mentality...
BWF wants to more exposure of badminton, but is it good when there's low turn out of top level players like in this SSMF.
I understand that it's not so simple to just so simple to just change the schedule of events. However BWF needs to do a better job so that a tournament as big as SSMF doesn't turn out to be some kind of joke.
maybe bwf want to stretch the sponsor money as far as possible.
Sometime, dilution is not the solution.