Swiss Open 2008: LCW lost to himself !

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  1. cooler

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    HOPE THAT KKK DIDN'T HEAR THIS :p
     
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    Well, I am referring to our Malaysian players, especially KKK in particular. I just read in the local newspapers that Rexy passed a stern warning that if KKK doesn't show any improvements then he would be missing the OG in August. What a pity, if that is the case................It is common to all the players that they have their off-days, so LCW losing tamely to LD could be one of those things....
     
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    There is a difference between LCW and KKK.

    At the very least, LCW has been consistent in his performance. He got to
    at least the last 8 or so during the last few SS.

    But KKK? 1st round or 2nd round and there he goes out of the tournament.
    Well, one would say can't blame KKK alone... coz he plays doubles. Yes, true!
    But then again, he is the one who seems to be not performing among the
    pair...

    Not siding any players but just stating the truth. I always hope to see other
    countries players giving the Chinese power giving a run for their money.
    That's what competition is all about. No point seeing one country dominate.
    It'll just be another training session for them...
     
  4. zqloy

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    U must be sharp enough to change strategies when things didnt go well in the 1st place. The thing about LM, it would unnecessary to bring him back; LCW has the chops but must know when to execute those.
     
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    as i have said before, lcw and misbun aren't kids but pros, they have watched and played LD many times before, and they don't know when to execute??. When lcw is boxed in and under pressure, having the chops won't help

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-xVb1qsPCw

    after 164 posts, how come this simple concept is so hard to understand?????????? Maye because school only taught the P=f/a version
     
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    As ive said many times before, he is not sharp enough to change tactics when things r not going his way. Of course they hv watch LD's video over & over again, so did LD. Preparations is one thing, on court execution is another thing. And moreover, i was talking abt LCW's inability to change strategy when playing with the strong drift (thus giving up free points), not against LD. U r the one not understanding my comment.:cool:
     
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    I would say in terms of performance wise, LCW is more consistent than KKK.

    But both shuttlers are weak when it comes to conduct off-court. I mean both shuttlers must know that they are national badminton players. In short they are pro sportsmen. It pains me to see LCW doing some political road show during the 12 General Elections i.e. playing badminton and all with Ling Hee Liong. Like last year's Machap by election, our shuttlers were taken for some road show by politicians to boost their election drive. This is a no, no as I believe being pro shuttlers they should just concentrate on their training and rest after their workouts.

    Unfortunately, Ling Hee Liong got trounced in Gopeng. :D
     
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    It is so simple to understand - I don't understand why people still argue as if one can just easily change tactics on the day. On court execution is very difficult. On a good day, LCW could be sharp and sometimes he, too, can come up with the ace.

    I agree with you totally.
     
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    So sportsmen don't have private lives ? What about the sportsmen in the US who also do campaigning for their politicians ? LCW's loss has nothing to do with his campaigning -- he lost to better players on the day.
     
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    Of course they do have private lives. They are humans just like us. BUT ... to go out and campaign when the AE / SO are just round the corner kinda dont make any cow sense.

    Have you ever seen either Andy Roddick /Kobe Bryant/Tony Meola/Joe Montana out campaigning for their fav presidential candidate when they have a major tournament round the corner???

    You are spot on about LCW losing to a better LD. However, the point is LCW may have had a better chance against LD had he been more focused.
     
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    u r funny Pemuda....but i would agree with you. Let politics n sports be seperated, tho difficult to achieve...at least, the Rakyat know...:D

    However, it is ok to play wf politicians during the free time, but not during election time, don't u think, the politicians r using them as a 'tool' to attract more voters???? I m really sick with this.

    Sorry, mods, off topic, but i got to say this out. Close.
     
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    Pemuda didn't go off-topic (geez, the sky must be raining red soon!) with his comments regarding the election thingy because he's right - the players should remember that they represent the nation in an international badminton circuit - their job first and foremost is to play badminton.

    Are they registered members of said political outfit? If so, then the argument can't be used because it's part of their duty as members, regardless of what they do for a living.
     
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    this is correct. so far, as for now, LCW is the challenger to LD. others are a bit more behind.
     
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    When lin dan lost to lcw,why he is not bashed by ppls as bad as lcw?

    i know the record is about 3 won by lcw and about 8 won by lin dan.
    But when lin dan lost,no big deal.he played well.Just that....etc etc.
    Lcw's lost is a big issue eh?
     
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    Yeah..consistency is lcw.
    But the u forgot to highlighted the drastic triumphs experienced by this kkk.
    N all the drastic popularity hes going through.U cant expect him to experience the same thing like what lcw have.They are not the same.

    kkk has once became our sweetheart.But he keep dissapointing lately.
    What the fans need to do?Support.
    Im quite happy with pemuda recently.He seems...Nicer?Appreciate that brother.:)

    Hes not performing lately.True.But will he bounce back?undefined.
    we will found out later.
    For the moment,in my opinion,only kkk can save himself.Not us.
    bad fans or lovely fans.Both cant give huge impact.
    The answer is on kkk himself.
    But like what kkk said,the supportive fans is slightly better.

    sorry.Off topic.But comparing is something inappropriate.
    N thanks for ur nice words shuttlekok.U are entitled of ur opinion.
    N doing ur voice out in manners is something i should remark.
     
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    Good point.That is simple court sense and intelligence.CHN is very sharp on these little details because it can generate cheap points, with minimum effort.
     
  17. pjswift

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    Part of LCW's problem may be having Misbun as the Tournament Coach.Misbun is saying LCW needs to get into rhythm to play well and LCW is believing it.MF is expecting LCW to stage his CC smashes pretty early.(And he can.In AE MSF, under pressure to save 5 match points,he managed to set up 2 consecutive smash winners,as if by magic.)
    Misbun is definitely great as a Training Coach.But it won't hurt to hire MF as a guest coach for just one tournament (hopefully SPO08!).MF did that for Tine R. in JO07 and once is all that's needed to just trigger off some breakthrough ideas.
    As an example, in tennis, Djokovic has one coach but the coach was smart enough to realise that he can benefit more from having a short term guidance from John McEnroe on netplay.That catalyst probably helped him to create a record of beating the top 3 seeds in a row in winning the Montreal Open.And he took out Federer in straight 3 in the Australian Open.(But of course, Federer was suffering from mononucleisis?)
    I'm pretty confident Misbun will be just as smart to welcome and test out a different tournament approach.
     
  18. wood_22_chuck

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    You mean like wait for Lin Dan to contract mononucleosis?

    -dave
     
  19. Pemuda

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    Ok, let me put it in simple recent terms for you.

    Take the recent AE & SO. LD made the final for both events. LCW how?

    Have a nice day .... and yes Malaysia Boleh! ;)
     
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    it is biased if we only count the H2H start from 2007.
     
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