The wolves have come!

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  1. robin7

    robin7 Regular Member

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    With the World Championships just two months away, the China women's singles camp is looking concerning after the unexpected defeat in the Uber Cup last month.


    Let's see how China's women's singles fared in the first half of the year:

    Wang Yihan [1] has lost 4 times to outsiders this year including the recent Uber Cup:
    lost to Bae Youn Joo @ Malaysia Open 2010 SF 21-17 13-21 19-21
    lost to Tine Rasmussen @ All England 2010 F 14-21 21-18 19-21
    lost to Yip Pui Yin @ Swiss Open 2010 2R 17-21 22-24
    lost to Bae Seung Hee @ Uber Cup Finals 2010 21-23 11-21
    Wang Lin [4] has dropped to 4th spot after losing to Hirose twice this year and skipped the rest of the tourneys since then:
    lost to Eriko Hirose @ Malaysia Open 2010 QF 19-21 21-15 19-21
    lost to Eriko Hirose @ All England 2010 QF 21-10 16-21 18-21
    Wang Xin [2] is the most consistent player among the 5 at this moment but still lost once to the Korean gal:
    lost to Bae Seung Hee @ Korea Open 2010 12-21 14-21
    Wang Shixian [3] is the youngest player in the team:
    lost to Maria Febe Kusumasturi @ All England 2010 QF 13-21 21-15 16-21
    Lu Lan [10] is no way near the form that won her the World Champion last year:
    lost to Tine Rasmussen @ All England 2010 QF 21-16 21-23 11-21
    lost to Saina Nehwal @ Singapore 2010 SF 21-8 17-21 8-21

    Reminder: We are discussing about China's women's singles camp, please don't bring in other non-related countries (I know I should be more worried about Lee Chong Wei and Koo/Tan:p)!

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    1. Will China fail to retain the Women's Singles title since 1999? (Camilla Martin is the last non-China player to be crowned as World Champion back in 1999)

    2. If you were Li Yongbo, which players will you choose?

    3. What is the current batch of players lack of compared the likes of Zhang Ning and Xie Xingfang?

    Your thoughts?
     
  2. ctjcad

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    who really can challenge them??..Tine? Saina? The 2 Baes from KOR? Eriko? Yippy?..and depending on the draw, those challengers could meet & eliminate each other even before meeting the CHN WS armada in the latter rounds..

    Out of the last 4 individual tourneys those CHN WS players had participated in, CHN had won 3 out of 4 (the only exception was the AE, even then, they had WYH in the Final Rd.).

    If i'm wearing LYB's cap, i would take the first four players; WX and WSX are the 2 constant..where's Jiang Yanjiao?..if she can make it, i'll have an internal duel between her and WYH to decide who deserves to go..and i might have another internal duel between Wang Lin and Lu Lan to decide who should go..

    In the current list of names above, i believe Wang Xin is the oldest of the bunch (25 y.o.??)..
    Zhang Ning won her only WC when she was already 28 y.o.; XXF won her WC titles when she was 24 & 25 y.o.
     
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  3. madbad

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    On current form, I would only trust Wang Xin. Even then she lost recently to Zhu Lin in the CHN Super League.

    I think next in line is Jiang Yanjiao. Don't know why LYB never preferred her.

    Then Wang Shixian, who is still young but shows she's got the goods

    Wang Lin/ Wang Yihan/Lu Lan in any order. Wang Lin–inconsistent, Wang Yihan–doesn't have a killer shot (exposed in the UC), Lu Lan–seems to be out of favour right now.

    I think after CHN's UC debacle, countries have to be more confident about doing better in the WS category
     
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    To answer the above questions:
    1) Yes - only Saina, Tine and possibly the 2 Korean Ba(b)es can crash the party
    2) WX, JYJ, WSH for sure. Let the last spot be fought for by WYH/WL and LL (see above post)
    3) Drive. As a country modernizes, players become more comfortable and pampered. Other things also become more important. China too will be affected. Look at what MAS and INA have become.
     
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    ..if it's any indication, perhaps LYB could use the CBSL as a barometer in selecting his WS squad for the Worlds...
     
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    https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AjP7xJlkWAP9dDZWbWJ4ZnZ4Und6Y1kzS1JnS0hsNEE&hl=en

    Based on CBSL 2010,

    JYJ has been impressive (7-0) and tops the chart by beating the likes of WL, WX, WSX and WYH.

    WL is at 2nd spot with a 5-2 W-L record (beating WX, WYH etc).

    WSX with 4-1 (beating WL, ZL etc) and WX with 4-3 (beating LL etc) are at 3rd and 4th respectively.

    WYH is in bad form with 1-4 (losing to JYJ, WL etc) while LL is still winless with 0-2 (losing to WX and CXJ).


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    I'm not sure if JYJ will be sent to WC despite her impressive results.

    WYH will be out of WC camp if her losing streak continues while LL seemed to have given up.
     
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    Does LYB have to chose ?
    Can't he send all his players ?
     
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    Depends on the rankings. If there are enough players in higher rnking he will be able to choose.

    As for the thread title, I have been saying for 3 years at least the next gen of WS players is not coming. yes they are ranked highly, yes they win most tournaments, but they are losing major tournaments which is when the top players peak. when XXF, ZN, ZM, GRN were playing they hav say 95% chance to win everytime. these days against top players I would put WYN, WSX, LL, ZL, WL etc... at no more than 60%, thus the domination is broken.

    It is happening at MS too, only masked by the fact that A) MS is different in that more countries used to win tourneys anyway B) LD only plays is half the tourneys in a year & he wins most of chn titles & C) Further to B) If LD retires the % of CHN MS player against the top other nations is below 50% IMO...
     
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    I think the selection rule is only for Olympics..
     
  10. jamesd20

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    No it applies to WC also, unless rules have been changed since last time
     
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    Ok I didn't know about it... and what are the precise laws ?
     
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    ^^For the rules, laws, regulations on who and how many players can participate..^^

    ..please take a peek here. CHN is allowed 4 max. WS players:
    http://internationalbadminton.org/file_download.aspx?id=11654
    http://internationalbadminton.org/file_download.aspx?id=11653

    For the list of qualified players for the WC, please see this:
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?86391-Final-list-Second-Phase-Version-4

    Jiang Yanjiao is currently ranked #5. So in order for her to go, then one of the things listed below (rule 8.2) must occur:
    http://tournamentsoftware.com/ranking/category.aspx?id=1521&category=473

    For substitution regulations:
    8. SUBSTITUTIONS
    8.1 A player / pair may participate in an event of the World Championships only if the player's / pair's entry is made by the closing date for entries as announced by the BWF as stated in the date lines in Annexure I.
    8.2 After the closing date for entries but before the draw is made, a player who has entered may be unable to take part through illness, injury, or other unavoidable cause. That player's place in singles and / or doubles will be taken by the next eligible player / pair as per Regulations for Eligibility and Processing of Entries for World Championships (Part III, Section 3B).
    8.3 No changes or substitutions of any kind can be made to the draw after it has been made except corrections as in Regulation 15.3.1 of General Competition Regulations.
     
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    Thanks :)

    Back to the Wolves I think Tine/Saina/Hongyan/Bae/Maria Febe can upset the chinese..
     
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    According to 3.2.1 of WC Regulations, the World Ranking as at the Last Thursday of April (17th week) will be used to determine the eligibility of players to the WC.

    http://bwf.tournamentsoftware.com/ranking/category.aspx?id=1435&category=473

    World Ranking as at 29-04-2010

    1 Wang Yihan 72651.43 (14)
    2 Wang Xin 65860 (11)
    3 Wang Lin 65612.2 (13)
    4 Wang Shixian 60880 (11)
    5 Jiang Yanjiao 59350 (10)
    6 Saina NEHWAL 58376.7646 (15)
    7 Tine RASMUSSEN 55740.0982 (12)
    8 Zhou Mi 55402.16 (15)
    9 Pi Hongyan 54592.32 (15)
    10 Lu Lan 52260 (9)

    Since CHN has 5 WS players in the top 8, a maximum of 4 players can be entered.
     
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    According to that list CHN has 9 players in the top ten:D

    Team China has 5 in top 8
     
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    ..*scratches eyes*..i only see 8 CHN players in the top 10..;)
     
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    Oh yes......tired...India in near china though:)
     
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    LooL also you would have consider Hongyan as a Chinese ;) ?
     
  19. robin7

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    According to the Final List of Qualifiers, JYJ is not included.
     
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    Yes, she is chinese (ethnic, born & trained), just not playing for the chinese team, she playing for france team
     

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