So I was at a league match last night. I attempted a cross net shot from one post to the other. It was close but it didnt cross and was landing back on my side. As it was making its way down, they touch the net before the shuttle lands on the floor. I said he touched the net. He initially denies it. But then admits touching the net. But saying that the shuttle is dead/out of play as soon as it wasnt coming over. I thought the shuttle is live/in play till the shuttle hits the floor. So the first fault will be him touching the net. Then he elaborates that he has umpired matches and has read the rulebook. Can anyone point me in the direction of the law that says if the shuttle is not going over the shuttle is dead before touching the floor.
15. SHUTTLE NOT IN PLAY A shuttle is not in play when: it strikes the net or post and starts to fall towards the surface of the court on the striker’s side of the net; it hits the surface of the court; or a 'fault’ or a ‘let’ has occurred 13. FAULTS It shall be a ‘fault’: if a service is not correct (Law 9.1); if, in service, the shuttle: 13.2.1. is caught on the net and remains suspended on its top; 13.2.2. after passing over the net, is caught in the net; or 13.2.3. is hit by the receiver’s partner; if in play, the shuttle: 13.3.1. lands outside the boundaries of the court (i.e. not on or within the boundary lines); 13.3.2. fails to pass over the net; 13.3.3. touches the ceiling or side walls; 13.3.4. touches the person or dress of a player;
So it says 'A shuttle is not in play when: it strikes the net or post and starts to fall towards the surface of the court on the striker’s side of the net; it hits the surface of the court; or a 'fault’ or a ‘let’ has occurred' What comes first then. The shuttle falling on the striker side. Or fault (touching the net) before the shuttle has touched the floor?
my 2cents says 13.3.2 comes 1st cos for a fault to occur by opponent the shuttle has to cross the net or have a 50/50 chance of crossing the net. in your case the shuttle didnt cross the net and starts falling on ur side b4 your opponent touches the net
Club games & real tournament is different. Ex: situation is when the shuttle fly obviously out of the court. On club games its fine just take the shuttle mid air & get a point from it. No one care mostly as its obviously out of the court. On tournament. You take it mid air & its your lose. So what must do is to let it hit the ground 1st before taking it. But in your case, from my perspective on strict rule tournament, it would be your opponent lose. Why, even when the shuttle is obviously fail to cross the net, as long it didnt making a touchdown or the umpire didnt makes any call, touching the net would trigger a fault. So if the opponent must touch the net(for whatever reason), then do it after umpire call or after touchdown, if not then its a fault call. But again club games is less strict.
I disagree. The wording of the rule states that the shuttle is no longer in play the moment it fails to cross the net. The example of the shuttle going out doesn't work since play doesn't end until it has landed. Therefore, from the perspective of strict tournament play, touching the net when the shuttle has yet to land is not a fault as the shuttle is no longer in play. A fault doesn't have to be called every time for when a shuttle doesn't make it past the net, as you don't see umpires calling fault when someone hits the shuttle into the net. Obviously, it is up to the players to come to an agreement, but if the agreement is to use BWF rules, the opponent has won the point. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
Not even that strict. It says when it starts to fall towards the strikers side of the net. The implication is that if is starting to fall, not land, then it is dead. Meaning neither side needs to KNOW it isn’t going to cross yet, but if it isn’t going to cross then it is dead and there can be no net touch fault. If touched before it was struck by the opposing side, yes. As long as the opposing sides actions had no bearing on the flight path that wasn’t going to cross the net then there is no fault it was dead. this would be different if it was crossing the net and had not yet landed out. Because it would still be live. But as soon as it wasn’t going to cross the net it was dead.
But theres grey areas with this. Who can/is to judge during the match to deem it? Like how far out? Like if they are driving it from the back. I judge that before its even come past midpoint of the court its not coming over the net. Its dead and i can touch the net? For me it feels like theres situation where you can interpret it to many ways.
I guess technically you’re right, if it hasn’t hit the ground on either side and isn’t falling to the ground AFTER touching the net it is still live, but with the wording, the implication is that if it is clearly not crossing it is dead. You could cross the net to hit it and of course it would be a fault. but especially if you’re swinging and its hitting the net as you do not realizing it is dead, I would consider it dead. There is no action you can take on the opposite side of the net to legally play the shuttle or make it not dead. No one can.
The OP did not clarify this exact situation. Recall, many players hit a 'rainbow' shot that is already falling downward on their side and then crosses the net. Drop shots also follow a similar trajectory.
