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Wang Shixian ( 王适娴 )

Discussion in 'China Professional Players' started by george@chongwei, Jun 28, 2009.

  1. nokh88

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    Yeah..agree. She didn't take her chances.
    Of the three, my number one preference is WYH.
    Time to move on.
    Wish her luck.
     
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    Oww, that's a secret ...
    When I'm read about LCW doping case, I "jump" for joy, honest. For what? I'm LD's fans, I only like LCW when he lose to LD.
    And generally I don't like him coz he is main obstacle for Chinse MS.
    But what? I'm not write something like" Yeah, I hope he get life sentence, soon retiring, not go to Rio, I will not miss him, etc".
    Why? Coz I have behave & manner. Even 2 days after I read that news, slowly I have sympathy for him.

    For WSX case, yes mostly she must blame herself but not 'ONLY' like in your post.
    BWF really make OG lesser in quality game than WC or SSP.
    For her future, despite I will missher if she chose to retire, I think that is her best choce.
    If I'm WSX, I too will chose retire. Badminton is over for me. For what reason I still play?
    For next OG, nah. For prize money, nah. For country, my juniors need exposure for extreme needed level now.
    No motivation, retire is best choice.
    I will very glad if she appear in some entertainment work or wish her luck & success w/ business career.
     
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  3. Rob3rt

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    Thanks for being so brutally honest here and not hiding behind seemingly endless but partly mindless phrases and facts. I'm absolutely convinced that you're not the only one with this opinion on here.
     
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    But one thing I can't understand.

    Why retire when you can beat Yui Hashimoto in Round 1 before grinding out a 21-19 victory in the rubber set in Round 2 against He Bingjiao. That's her case in most tournament.


    Some good money can be made this way with a added luxury of traveling around the globe. I am sure she is not rich enough that more professional badminton feels like a burden.
     
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    But is he politically correct?
     
  6. zhuangcorp

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    Ive seen WSX often have a grumpy expression, complaining to her own coaches, complaining to the referee, mocking her opponent, complaining about the opponent, complaining about the audience, being rude to the medical doctor, being rude to the linesmen, using delay tactics, and more.
    Somebody should make a video compilation of all her negative attitude moments.

    In a post-match interview, she once said that she didnt like the audience because they didnt cheer for chinese players. She also complained that her opponent hit her in the face with the shuttle and the umpire didnt warn the opponent. Very negative and stupid attitude. I think this was Denmark Open, around 2014.

    As mentioned, she had a horrifying showing of attitude in her match against Okuhara in AE.

    In a match against LXR, I think at the year-end championships of around 2014, she was losing the match badly in the 2nd set. She called for the doctor. The doctor offered to spray her back, and he did so. In a very rude manner, she said to the doctor "Enough! Enough already!". Without thanking the doctor for his service or showing any gratitude, she waved her hand at him to tell him to stop treating her and go away. She then chose to retire against LXR.

    In my view, a very ugly badminton player.
     
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  7. Justin L

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    I think her heart is broken as far as badminton is concerned - imagine missing out on the Olympics twice in succession.

    Even if she stayed on, as a CHN player, there's always new, younger, up-and-coming players rising and crowding you out. Already, I see Sun Yu, He Bingjiao, Chen Yufei, just to name three, seriously threatening her position in the national team, not to mention the redoubtable Li Xuerui whom I believe will still be around for the Tokyo 2020 Olympics.
     
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    I didn't know all her little actions or antics,depending on how you see them, bother you so much. To me, they are just trifling matters or trivialities. To me, she is simply being herself, honest, forthright, true to herself, a genuine character with a rebellious,independent streak, saucy at times, often cute and adorable; on the whole, nothing about her that puts me off.

    If she can have such an effect on you, I wonder how you'd react to a few others who seemed worse to me. Some people are very conscious of how others will look at them in public when under stress, others just simply be themselves but within reasonable limit and self-restraint, very few would lose it, esp not on TV or under the watchful gaze of the crowd. I don't see WSX going overboard on any occasion.

    Ask Chen Long who must have seen the good, attractive qualities in her to fall in love with her. (Don't tell me , love is blind). You won't be drawn to her if that's how you see her in the first place. I should say you have to get to know a person better, see her at close range, interact, communicate, train, work or play together, socialise or , better still, live as neighbours, roommates, fellow team members in a dormitory for a length of time before you can form a proper opinion or make a fair judgement of her.
     
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    Agree with both of you. But WSX like Marin can be ugly players to watch playing, not because of their looks (far from it), but from their scowling intensity.

    One can be intense like Axelsen or LD, but one doesn't need to act ugly and scowl at every little mistake or every line call against them, etc. It's difficult to watch.
     
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    Japanese players are known for being polite and well-mannered when they play. And some of the players bow before the game starts and before going into intervals. I think this makes them very likeable, but is their politeness really sincere?

    I don't necessarily like the way players like WSX or Marin carry themselves on court, treat the court officials, opponents etc. However I admire that they dare to be themselves and show their uglier sides on court (unlike some of the japanese). It's a competition after all and I'm sure they are very different people outside of it.
     
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    Where there is WSX, there is drama: on court and off court.

    Best court side drama this year was All England WS Final. It was nail biting.

    Best off court drama is WSX vs WYH rivalry for a ticket to Rio. Ratchanok's doping incident which occurred in WSX hometown came in at second.

    Will Chen Long marry her or dump her this year?
    WSX is a true drama queen.
     
  12. Zhierl

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    Oww, that's a secret ...
    Chinese is robot, then when a player from China has his/her expression whatever that, someone call he/she is ugly...
    A case has at least 2 piece of broader picture. WSX has many antics case, if someone only see from opposite perspective, first piece, not bother of another piece, yes she is ugly etc. But I'm always see from her perspective too, whole case and IMO she has reason for that. Even some has strong reason.
    So, for me, always ask a question word "why" and "why" not only "what".

    At least I will not write negative view or a hate for a player that I really hate (not LCW). Curently he is going downhill.
    I will write some critics in his thread, and if I want to bashing, thats in tourney thread.
    But I'm silent reader type, usually I will forget it, not bother to write.
    At least I has respect to him as former top player. A bunch players still below him.
    I will never mock him in public room. Especially in his thread.
     
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    Well I guess it depends on your personal values. But How would you want to raise your own daughter? How would you want your daughter to behave?

    For me, being rude to everybody is not a trivial matter. Constant complaining shows her internal personality. She has no respect or gratitude for people.

    For me, Zhang Ning was an elegant and beautiful person, always gracious and respectful to people.
     
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    Oww, that's a secret ...
    Well, I will end this.
    I will stop arguing w/ thought that rate thing only from 1D pov.
     
  15. Justin L

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    I beg to differ, not so much personal values as broad-mindedness. I believe we can and should cut her some slack.

    The two examples you brought up are, in my view, understandable situations. In the one instance, the two ladies were at it in the final of the AE like nearly two hours, exchanging blow for blow and grappling for every single point whilst their fatigue and stress levels were unusually high. The difference is WSX wasn't 'clever enough' to dive and fall to the ground for the floor to be mopped and/or tying her shoelaces to buy time as her 'more likeable' opponent Nozomi was doing as otherwise the umpire might've been kinder to her delaying tactics. In the other instance, the poor girl hurt her back, another stressful situation, which required medical attention, and I venture to guess, maybe the medic was spraying a little too much analgesic on her back while lifting up her shirt and lowering her shorts a bit too exposed, thus her somewhat curt reaction. (Didn't LXR afterwards took over the spraying and even massaged her back and helped to carry WSX's kit bag? Is that the match we're talking about, sorry if I recalled not too accurately from memory).

    Moreover, we know WSX to have quite an outspoken personality who once openly expressed her disagreement with her coach Zhang Ning but later didn't they made it up and become on good terms with each other as known and shown on TV in subsequent tournaments?

    Pardon me for saying this, mate, your particular dislike of her reminds me of those LCW fans who just can't stand Lin Dan for often besting their idol and reducing him to a miserable state so much so that the sight of Lin Dan's victory celebrations, his on court supposed swagger (much less so nowadays, esp after LOG'12) and even his occasional blowing his nose to the side of the court, get on their nerves. Such a fixation on Lin Dan can only mean one thing, jealousy and sour grapes. If only Lin Dan had lost a couple of those big matches to their idol would they find him more acceptable if not more pleasing or charming. Well, to each his own then but let's not be petty about it.

    You know, compared with tennis legend John McEnroe's antics and famous (should I say, notorious) confrontational behaviour, outbursts and tantrums,for which he was slapped with a fine several times for his altercations with tennis authorities, WSX's or even Carolina Marin's or Bo/Mo's or a certain MAS MD pair's or INA MD pair's indiscretions looked more amusing, perhaps a little irritating, than obnoxious, in my opinion (and my intention is not to drag these others into the discussion here). Yet until today JM still has his die-hard fanbase. (To be frank, he's a bit too much for me).

    However, like everybody else, I'd like to keep our beloved badminton as a more civil, cultivated, respectable and gentlemanly sport. So far so good.
     
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    I beg to differ, not so much personal values as broad-mindedness. I believe we can and should cut her some slack.

    The two examples you brought up are, in my view, understandable situations. In the one instance, the two ladies were at it in the final of the AE like nearly two hours, exchanging blow for blow and grappling for every single point whilst their fatigue and stress levels were unusually high. The difference is WSX wasn't 'clever enough' to dive and fall to the ground for the floor to be mopped and/or tying her shoelaces to buy time as her 'more likeable' opponent Nozomi was doing as otherwise the umpire might've been kinder to her delaying tactics. In the other instance, the poor girl hurt her back, another stressful situation, which required medical attention, and I venture to guess, maybe the medic was spraying a little too much analgesic on her back while lifting up her shirt and lowering her shorts a bit too exposed, thus her somewhat curt reaction. (Didn't LXR afterwards took over the spraying and even massaged her back and helped to carry WSX's kit bag? Is that the match we're talking about, sorry if I recalled not too accurately from memory).

    Moreover, we know WSX to have quite an outspoken personality who once openly expressed her disagreement with her coach Zhang Ning but later didn't they made it up and become on good terms with each other as known and shown on TV in subsequent tournaments?

    Pardon me for saying this, mate, your particular dislike of her reminds me of those LCW fans who just can't stand Lin Dan for often besting their idol and reducing him to a miserable state so much so that the sight of Lin Dan's victory celebrations, his on court supposed swagger (much less so nowadays, esp after LOG'12) and even his occasional blowing his nose to the side of the court, get on their nerves. Such a fixation on Lin Dan can only mean one thing, jealousy and sour grapes. If only Lin Dan had lost a couple of those big matches to their idol would they find him more acceptable if not more pleasing or charming. Well, to each his own then but let's not be petty about it.

    You know, compared with tennis legend John McEnroe's antics and famous (should I say, notorious) confrontational behaviour, outbursts and tantrums,for which he was slapped with a fine several times for his altercations with tennis authorities, WSX's or even Carolina Marin's or Bo/Mo's or a certain MAS MD pair's or INA MD pair's indiscretions looked more amusing, perhaps a little irritating, than obnoxious, in my opinion (and my intention is not to drag these others into the discussion here). Yet until today JM still has his die-hard fanbase. (To be frank, he's a bit too much for me).

    However, like everybody else, I'd like to keep our beloved badminton as a more civil, cultivated, respectable and gentlemanly sport. So far so good.
     
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    I will miss Wang Shixian. She was one of the most graceful players on the court, with one of the best footworks.
    Yup, she has a strong personality which is difficult for many to digest and she was not clever enough (or concerned enough) to hide it. There are many players in other sports; like tennis, soccer, cricket (Virat Kohli comes to mind); who display more intense antics and no one bats an eye. I think it only makes the sport more intense and competitive.
    Wang Shixian gifted us with many edge of the seat matches (and one notorious nail biting match). It's a shame she couldn't play in the Olympics. At least, she didn't leave badminton court empty handed as she won many prestigious titles (and also CL).
     
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    This is just a rumor. How do you know she is retiring? She expresses her sadness about missing the Olympics again on her facebook page but she says nothing about retiring. I don't believe it.
     
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    If I were here, I would not retire. She still has the Asian Games and the World Championships. Winning those would be no shame.
     
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    I hope she won't retire too early. I enjoy watching her play. Her accurate shots, choice of shots and smooth footwork are simply too wonderful, often forcing opponents into judgment errors. It would be better if she has a better smash to create more unforced errors from her opponents, but she's still a joy to watch without the smash. It's really rare that a badminton player could survive and win titles without a killer shot.
     
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    Make up your mind! Don't talk from both sides of your mouth!
     

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