What is still lacking in LCW?

joelabb said:
Eventhough I'm a hardcore LCW fan but I have to accept :crying: that LD still 1 class above LCW. Like in this match most of LCW points are from LD errors. I think Dato Misbun should concentrate LCW training on how to force LD make mistakes. If that still not work, I think Malaysia should consider offering LD a "Tun" become a Malaysian citizen :D.
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When I was growing up in MAS, Dato alone is hard to get (forget about Tun or Tan Sri) and we look at Dato as a first class, special citizen with very special privilege. A Datoship is like a pass or inside connection to get govt contracts, special treatment unlike ordinary folks, etc but it comes with lots of responsibility like making sure you remember to repay who grant you the title. Nowadays, granting of Datoship is so common practice that so many people have it. Granting LD a Tun (I take you say that as a joke) and MAS citizen, what benefits LD to even consider that...LD is racking tens of millions in CHN, celebrity status, CHN hero, I have said so often that baddy players play baddy for a career, it is $$$ that counts, not some titles. With LD reportedly making tens of millions a year, I am not sure BAM can even afford to pay LD to play for MAS:D:p
 
from this article:

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_sports/view/413938/1/.html

Asked how or why he won, Lin said: "It wasn't tactical or anything - we are both good players. It was more psychological. I was focused and calm.

"I think I played quite well. There were a couple of times in the first set where I didn't handle the situation the best I could and let him have an advantage. But I kept my form and manager to play well."
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OneToughBirdie said:
When I was growing up in MAS, Dato alone is hard to get (forget about Tun or Tan Sri) and we look at Dato as a first class, special citizen with very special privilege. A Datoship is like a pass or inside connection to get govt contracts, special treatment unlike ordinary folks, etc but it comes with lots of responsibility like making sure you remember to repay who grant you the title. Nowadays, granting of Datoship is so common practice that so many people have it. Granting LD a Tun (I take you say that as a joke) and MAS citizen, what benefits LD to even consider that...LD is racking tens of millions in CHN, celebrity status, CHN hero, I have said so often that baddy players play baddy for a career, it is $$$ that counts, not some titles. With LD reportedly making tens of millions a year, I am not sure BAM can even afford to pay LD to play for MAS:D:p
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With a Tun title you don't have to pay for tax :D Can save a lot of money for happy time :rolleyes::D. This is only for joke my friend after a sad day...my idol lost to the best player in the world.
 
Louisa said:
what's wrong with the term 'bolehians'? When you watch the match live, you can find a big number of 'jia youians'....

suddenly, this come to my mind....bolehians = Mas fans, jia youians = Chn fans, habisian = Ina fans...., dai han min kuk'ians = Kor fans....:D:D:D
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ctjcad said:
mam, you don't wanna leave out the Danish fans, do you??..:confused: ;)
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ctjcad said:
..i was looking for a chant in Danish..:p;)
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didnt i miss anything????what about danes????:crying:
 
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cooler said:
overall, it doesn't matter where bwf seeding places LD in the singles draw, LD will take the title. Rearranging the musical chairs won't change a thing for LD. In my argument, i would say those training matches with bcl and cj didn't warm up LD enough. U see LD made lotta errors today's final too .

In contrast, i have said TH had a dream draw for the 2004 OG at Athen. His toughest opponent was PG which he beat and coast is clear after that.
As this AE, it is an open, after beating PG, TH still have to face LCW, and if TH win, faces LD. 04 OG is a dream draw that paid off for TH.
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Thread title: "What is still lacking in LCW?"

Cooler's response: bring up Taufik Hidayat vs Lin Dan YET AGAIN. That second paragraph wasn't necessary at all was it?
 
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I was visiting the other Chinese forums, pretty much all LCW fans agreed (yes LCW has a lot of fans in China) the only thing he lacks is 霸气, same thing LD's teammate Bao Chun Lai lacks to dominate the world of badminton.
 
bestco said:
I was visiting the other Chinese forums, pretty much all LCW fans agreed (yes LCW has a lot of fans in China) the only thing he lacks is 霸气, same thing LD's teammate Bao Chun Lai lacks to dominate the world of badminton.
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i assume the words 霸气 mean 'aggressiveness'?
 
bestco said:
I was visiting the other Chinese forums, pretty much all LCW fans agreed (yes LCW has a lot of fans in China) the only thing he lacks is 霸气, same thing LD's teammate Bao Chun Lai lacks to dominate the world of badminton.
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Come on:rolleyes:

If LCW fought LD to a standing still and lost at the end, I'd say that may be only thing he lacks. The fact is that LD could have blown LCW off the court if he chose to.

LCW has a long way to go to catch LD. For the sake of badminton, it would be good thing if he does get closer.

More realistically, the only way that LD can be beaten was how he lost HK Open to CJ. LD was playing casually. When the game got tight, CJ took advantage and played extremely well. LD got burned.

LCW had a similiar opportunity in the first game today, but did not play well enough to take advantage. LD gave him no chance in the second game. The second game was a fair reflection of the difference between the two.
 
RedShuttle said:
Come on:rolleyes:

If LCW fought LD to a standing still and lost at the end, I'd say that may be only thing he lacks. The fact is that LD could have blown LCW off the court if he chose to.

LCW has a long way to go to catch LD. For the sake of badminton, it would be good thing if he does get closer.

More realistically, the only way that LD can be beaten was how he lost HK Open to CJ. LD was playing casually. When the game got tight, CJ took advantage and played extremely well. LD got burned.

LCW had a similiar opportunity in the first game today, but did not play well enough to take advantage. LD gave him no chance in the second game. The second game was a fair reflection of the difference between the two.
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agreed. It was LD's casualness and UE's that put him in a 17-19 position in the 1st set. Then he decided he wanted to win the set so took the next 4 points. (OK may be a slight exaggeration but I want to emphasise just how much control, mentally and physically, LD had over LCW).

LD decided to stop messing around and wrap it up in the 2nd set.
 
I really don't understand : aren't you badminton players? If you play 3 matchs, aren't fresher than if you play four matchs?
Once again china shows a very poor demonstration of "sport's spirit". This final remind me of the Olympics, LD vs Chen Jin in SF and LD had not to force to win. The same here in AE. LCW had enough endurance to play the first game and a part of the second but its not fair from china. When you are tired it's not easy to focus or to build a strategy during the match, it's not only a question of fitness. So my conclusion : what china call "patriotism" is only "cheat" (excuse me for my english people:crying:)
 
I think Lee CW just needs 1 win over Lin Dan...just once to even things up(not entirely..but just to get his confidence back)
That being said, Lin Dan's not letting anyone stand in his way. So imo, I don't think anyone can de-throne him until he decides to retire.

Off topic - Lin Dan is just very charismatic. I swear my heart was beating so fast when I went up to take a picture with him. I'm turning into a Lin Dan fanboy despite my nationalism... HELP ME!
 
chirigamii said:
I really don't understand : aren't you badminton players? If you play 3 matchs, aren't fresher than if you play four matchs?
Once again china shows a very poor demonstration of "sport's spirit". This final remind me of the Olympics, LD vs Chen Jin in SF and LD had not to force to win. The same here in AE. LCW had enough endurance to play the first game and a part of the second but its not fair from china. When you are tired it's not easy to focus or to build a strategy during the match, it's not only a question of fitness. So my conclusion : what china call "patriotism" is only "cheat" (excuse me for my english people:crying:)
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Are you suggesting that it is better if we can schedule it so LCW gets to meet LD in the 1st round simply to make it "fair"??? After the last 3 most recent meetings and LCW had not win a set with 4 of those sets LCW could not even get more than 12 points... are you still denying that LD is much better than LCW by now.

In this AE, LCW had 2 easy matches before meeting Taufik whom ended up being blown away by LCW. LCW was just as fresh coming in the AE final as LD, so if he couldn't manage to last 2 games, then what made him a better player?

Their head to head record even if counting the team events is LD 11:5 LCW...(2 of LCW came from team events) is that good enough?
 
bestco said:
I was visiting the other Chinese forums, pretty much all LCW fans agreed (yes LCW has a lot of fans in China) the only thing he lacks is 霸气, same thing LD's teammate Bao Chun Lai lacks to dominate the world of badminton.
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This is such a joke... you can't have any 霸气, when you look like one of those high school kids that get bullied around on a daily basis... unless he gets a tatoo on his arm that says "I am a Dato", otherwise I don't think he can intimidate anyone especially Lin Dan.

What LCW really lacks is a Fu HaiFeng like smash, Lee Yong Dae's reaction time, Taufik's big match mentality, Lin Dan's appearance(LCW is like skin + bone), and XXF like girlfriend(it has been good for Lin Dan ever since)
 
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bananakid said:
Are you suggesting that it is better if we can schedule it so LCW gets to meet LD in the 1st round simply to make it "fair"??? After the last 3 most recent meetings and LCW had not win a set with 4 of those sets LCW could not even get more than 12 points... are you still denying that LD is much better than LCW by now.

In this AE, LCW had 2 easy matches before meeting Taufik whom ended up being blown away by LCW. LCW was just as fresh coming in the AE final as LD, so if he couldn't manage to last 2 games, then what made him a better player?

Their head to head record even if counting the team events is LD 11:5 LCW...(2 of LCW came from team events) is that good enough?
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I didn't say LCW is better than LD if you read well. I am only deploring china known "tactics" to be sure to win. If Chen Jin had play a real match against LD do you really think LD could be in a great form as he was in final?
In my advice LD is a little bit stronger than LCW, but on one match, sometimes LCW can overpass him and I think it could have happen if the semi final vs Chen Jin was not a parody of sport. The real question is finally : is this normal to let china be unfair? Is all allowed to win in sport?
 
chirigamii said:
I didn't say LCW is better than LD if you read well. I am only deploring china known "tactics" to be sure to win. If Chen Jin had play a real match against LD do you really think LD could be in a great form as he was in final?
In my advice LD is a little bit stronger than LCW, but on one match, sometimes LCW can overpass him and I think it could have happen if the semi final vs Chen Jin was not a parody of sport. The real question is finally : is this normal to let china be unfair? Is all allowed to win in sport?
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Chen Jin could only barely beat Sho Sasaki in this AE... I doubt that CJ could do much better against Lin Dan than Joachim Persson did. That would just be painful for the audience to watch... better to let the show moved on instead.

Until the day, badminton is popular enough to allow players to make enough money playing on their own, or every other country is strong enough to beat China players regularly before Semi-final, otherwise, yes, be prepared to see more to come.
 
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