Why are the Women's doubles players not trying to win?
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eaglehelang
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Yup, she was quoted in many press as saying so. Of course opponents are strong if one serve into the net, smash into the net time & again, opponents had no opportunity to show much. The Korean chief coach was quoted too.
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The matches were bad...!
I also saw the nbcolympics videos which they posted a video which shows about 2 minutes of all the mistakes during that KOR/CHN
Lin Dan said himself that it's damaging to the sport. The head person of IOC was apparently watching some of the match in the arena as well.
I also saw the nbcolympics videos which they posted a video which shows about 2 minutes of all the mistakes during that KOR/CHN
Lin Dan said himself that it's damaging to the sport. The head person of IOC was apparently watching some of the match in the arena as well.
nokh88
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I never believe LD.
LYB will certainly get into trouble.
even before the Olympics, he has been warned by his bosses to cut down on the walkover and match fixing, that's why we did see fewer of them this year compared to last year. and when there are fixing suspicions, the acting was better instead of an outright w/o due to fake injuries.
now this really blown up in the Olympics and most people will by default just blame the Chinese for it without much thoughts, the bosses will certainly not be happy about it.
even before the Olympics, he has been warned by his bosses to cut down on the walkover and match fixing, that's why we did see fewer of them this year compared to last year. and when there are fixing suspicions, the acting was better instead of an outright w/o due to fake injuries.
now this really blown up in the Olympics and most people will by default just blame the Chinese for it without much thoughts, the bosses will certainly not be happy about it.
pcll99
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President of IOC Jacques Rogge was there when it happened. Badminton has become a farce right in front of the president of the International Olympic Committee. I think President Rogge had to leave in embarrassment.
I believe this is one of the reasons why BWF decided to punish the four pairs so hard.
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Notice she never thanked her coaches. I can feel her venom towards LYB.
Yes, I did watch the game between Yu/Wang and KOR pair for a few minutes. Yes, I believe they did not try to win. All 4 of them. Yes, I was shaking my head, when I hear the boos.
This is exactly what the BWF's official saw and they were disqualified after investigation was done and are charged for 'not using one's best effort to win a match' and 'conducting oneself in a manner that is clearly abusive or detrimental to the sport'.
However, if you give ppl death penalty, you better give real evidence. What's the evidence now? They performed below the par? They have more serve errors, and more out?
That is how you chose to perceive it.Those people with authority see things differently. Btw, if they can't even serve properly and is so erratic than they shouldn't be in the Olympics after all. Does it make sense to you?
Well, answer me this. In WC 2003, on her way to champion, ZN give both Mia and CM a 11-0. Please do not tell me Mia and CM are that bad at the moment. So, why there's no penalty for Mia or CM, for "not trying their absolute best"? They probably already mentally and/or physcially gave up...
The scoreline doesn't mean anything. If ZN is on good form that day why not. If that counts then Zhao Jian Hua's, Yang Yang's and all those ex greats opponents that got thrashed would be all found as guilty. What counts is the motive. Do you see any relation to that in between ZN, Mia and CM? Its a very bad example you'd given to compare here.
From stats, you can surely say they should be much much better. However, in theory, everyone can have a bad day. You can not give a person a death penalty, simply because, "oh, we all get upset, you, me, him, her all believe that's not normal"....
Talking about statistics of all 4 pairs or any other pairs in that level, go take a look in any badminton videos available on youtube and make a comparison yourself. See if there is any match that even come close to what you saw yesterday. Even baddy players of the 70's with wood rackets don't play in such pathetic manner. While watching make sure you open your eyes wide enough.
Btw, good hard evidence is drug test result, instruction in writing, instruction in tape recording, etc.
Professionals don't leave evidences behind. Only dumb people do. Maybe those team officials did tried the lawyers wannabe but still got their appeal thrown out.
Btw, please do not just ignore my other examples of Jordyn Wieber (US gymnastics) and US basketball team. In theory, they all performed way below their own standard, so should they get banned as well? Hey, for US basketball, even the opponent coach "thanked" them in public for "not running up the score". Man, that's hard evidence....
Pardon my ignorance. I really don't know them. As such I better not put any comments on them because it will make me look stupid if I talk a lot with long winding post but make little sense.
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pcll99
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holy smoke. The Wall Street Journal is reporting this:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444226904577562112515755348.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444226904577562112515755348.html
Again, I am not defending the players or coaches, they clearly contribute to the whole mess.
The problem I have is, IOC/BWF should take their share of the blame as well. As organizers, their system start the whole mess, and when the pic starts to look ugly, they try to act like god, and simply send the little guys (girls) to the chamber for the death penalty???
Plus, you still did not answer my question, how you justify the evidence. US basketball makes a lot of mistakes, such as easy turn overs, missed wide open dunks, un-usual high rate of fouls, etc. In addition, they rest their starters (e.g. Kobe played only 9 minutes in the game), and play the rookie (Davis) for 14 instead. So, please tell me why we not banning them for "'not using one's best effort to win a match' "???
It was there in the second paragraph. The BWF after investigation found that.................
Its the authority and governing body that sets and regulate the R&R. They saw the 4 pairs clearly, obviously and severely violated one of the R&R and its within the authority rights to take proper action. Oth, teams can file for appeal but again its the decision of a panel of committees whether to reject the appeal or not.
Its them (the authority) who took action within a set of rules, regulate them and made the final decision. Not the other way round of saying to them that your proof TO ME is not solid enough.
visor
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Lazybuddy:
The guilty have no right to question the judges, especially when the rules are so clearly spelled out in the book. Even if there was a loophole that doesn't make it less punishable if they were found guilty. You can call it a temptation but they're still guilty nonetheless.
The only thing that could have happened differently is the KOR players should have just killed the CHN pair with a 21-0 21-0 score. Then after the match officially complain to the referee about the CHN pair's efforts and intentions. That would have been better than being pulled into this disgraceful match fixing scandal.
The guilty have no right to question the judges, especially when the rules are so clearly spelled out in the book. Even if there was a loophole that doesn't make it less punishable if they were found guilty. You can call it a temptation but they're still guilty nonetheless.
The only thing that could have happened differently is the KOR players should have just killed the CHN pair with a 21-0 21-0 score. Then after the match officially complain to the referee about the CHN pair's efforts and intentions. That would have been better than being pulled into this disgraceful match fixing scandal.
gopalprasad
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But then the Japanese escaped doing the same thing right? what about them... they got what they wanted cheated and got away with it as well......... so there are still loopholes next time do it there way...
SibugiChai
Regular Member
The four pairs are doing daylight robbery... Too obvious...
I can not stop laughing...
You keep using the word "clearly", "obviously", etc, but how you qualify that? 20% of the "suppose to be level of performance", 30%, 47%, 65%??? Then, you have to also factor in the fatigue, opponents, etc. How to qualify "not trying hard enough"? Even if they "not trying", they are still better than 99.99999% of us trying 20000%...
Again, I am not saying they are innocent, based on my own common sense. However, issue a hard nailed "death penalty", while ruinning the entire event, while the organizers were the 1st ones to make it possible...
Again, my point is not to say they did not do anything wrong. My problem is IOC/BWF pushes all the blames on the little guys (girls), and actting like god, make me disgusted.