Why the Chinese are so dominant?

lcleing said:
Someone has posted in Indonesia badminton that ex-Indonesian players used to earn a lot more than common household a few decades back but it is no longer the case. Due to modernization and more ooportunities in higher education, alot of parents in Indonesia see education as a safer road to earn a living. I love to be proven wrong but I doubt Indonesia will be back to it's full glory state(in badminton). Same goes to Malaysia and UK.

I predict China's decline will begin once those born in the 90's took over the flag as shown in recent WJC and AJC. But that's just my wild guess.
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Are you saying Indonesia modernization progress (ie. higher education) is ahead of the curve than China? LOL.
Tell me, give me some examples of would be Indonesian badminton stars turn academics that have rock the world with academic achievement, discoveries and other accolades???
 
Isometric_kid said:
Before you go all out to be super analytical and talk about population comparison, your above assumptions are way way off as a start.
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Then would it be safe to assume that China has better quality coaching, development, organization quality, fund support, etc, etc than Malaysia? If so, and adding to the population factor, then no wonder that China is the international dominator in badminton that it is.
 
Isometric_kid said:
Before you go all out to be super analytical and talk about population comparison, your above assumptions are way way off as a start.
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Before you judge my comparison way off, you should check out there are many countries where baddy quality in many aspect are similar. IMO, MAS CHN INA KOR and DEN are similar in many aspects and criteria. If you dont agree with me, thats fine. But please enlight me that population does not matter. And country like Brunei Darusalam will one day become a badminton powerhouse???
 
Decent quality backed up by sheer hard work and some luck. It's not gonna happen too often. CHN used to be more dominant.
 
Isometric_kid said:
Are you saying Indonesia modernization progress (ie. higher education) is ahead of the curve than China? LOL.
Tell me, give me some examples of would be Indonesian badminton stars turn academics that have rock the world with academic achievement, discoveries and other accolades???
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Read my previous post carefully. Did I say Indonesia modernization progress is ahead of China? I only mentioned that due to modernization of Indonesia, the economical structure of Indonesia changed and parents decided to put less emphasis in professional sport.
Your second sentence is totally irrelavant to this topic what so ever. Not to mention that you automatically assumed that a natural badminton player will excel in other field.
Honestly, I do not understand why you assumed that a good sport man will automatically excel in other academic field. From the place I am from, most of them just do decently enough to graduate and earn a living, while still playing sport at league level(I assumed is the same as Indonesia). And again, if you read my post carefully, I did not say those natural players rock the academics once they get involved in higher education.

I sense that some reading comprehension and common sense are lacking here. No offence.
 
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Isometric_kid said:
Are you saying Indonesia modernization progress (ie. higher education) is ahead of the curve than China? LOL.
Tell me, give me some examples of would be Indonesian badminton stars turn academics that have rock the world with academic achievement, discoveries and other accolades???
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lcleing said:
Read my previous post carefully. Did I say Indonesia modernization progress is ahead of China? I only mentioned that due to modernization of Indonesia, the economical structure of Indonesia changed and parents decided to put less emphasis in professional sport.
Your second sentence is totally irrelavant to this topic what so ever. Not to mention that you automatically assumed that a natural badminton player will excel in other field.
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i tend to agree with icleing in this occasion. i don't see how I_kid you managed to reach that from what Icleing says.

don't fall into old habits.
 
visor said:
To answer the OP question is very simple. Sheer numbers of the Chinese population.
Plus, besides ping pong, badminton is a national sport.

Put it this way, I'm pretty sure the total number of high level club players in China is greater than the whole population of Canada! :eek::D
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Don't quite agree with your statement, if that is the case, India is the second powerhouse after China and India will be the major badminton power in a few decades time once their population is more than the Chinese.


However, I do agree that the total number of high level club players in China is greater than the whole population of Canada.
 
I think all hopes for non-Chinese champions in the near future is not too far off, just take a look at the recently concluded Youth Olympics in Singapore, Thailand won both the Boys Single and Girls Single champions even with China's participation for both events. Also, the young players from Malaysia, India, Denmark and Singapore do look promising by their age's standard.
 
badders2006 said:
i also believe the provincial system works wonders for the chinese national team. their huge talent pool, structure of selection and progression, along with their systematic training techniques and military standards, together with perhaps an unrivalled sense of duty and nationalistic pride (made all the more intense given their incredibly successful past) are all major factors IMO.

let's not forget, the chinese you see that take to the international courts are the very best of the best, of the best, of the best. I'm sure numerous CHN provincial level players are capable of challenging and beating the best players from the Major badminton nations. Making the chinese national team effectively equates to becoming the best on the planet, such is the elite standard of chn badminton.
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this is the best reply so far. a comprehensive view of all the factors that needs to come together in order to produce such a dominant result. not one factor alone can make it happen.

and add onto that a very well supported and well managed national team which not only support the physical but also support the financial wellbeing of their players.
 
In terms of powerhouses, I would say that China is the Superpower and Korea comes in a second. Indonesia and Denmark are there, but we have seen the old faces again and again. Malaysia is out because they only have one MS and one MD to challenge for titles.
 
laivc said:
Don't quite agree with your statement, if that is the case, India is the second powerhouse after China and India will be the major badminton power in a few decades time once their population is more than the Chinese.
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China has more senior citizens, but India has more teenagers and 20-30 year-olds. More older people help the country becoming a badminton powerhouse?

laivc said:
However, I do agree that the total number of high level club players in China is greater than the whole population of Canada.
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Canada population is 34million, China 15-30 years old population is 260million, if China had 34million high level club players, then it's over 13%, or 1 out of 7 people would be high level club players.

I didn't see any of my classmates/personal friends are high level club players.
 
why China so dominant? I think some friends here had already drawn the conclustion:

1: the most current reason: they tip the shuttles

2: historical reason: they can only win by beating their teammates
 
2cents said:
why China so dominant? I think some friends here had already drawn the conclustion:

1: the most current reason: they tip the shuttles

2: historical reason: they can only win by beating their teammates
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2cents said:
why China so dominant? I think some friends here had already drawn the conclustion:

1: the most current reason: they tip the shuttles

2: historical reason: they can only win by beating their teammates
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Agree with this post :)....
 
Thom_bad said:
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any question?

more specific speaking, China won MS by tipping the shuttle, and won WS, WD, XD by beating their own teammates which are too simple and easy, every country can do that. In one word, they won because there were no real competitions. Other countries players were not even motivated to win.

Got it?
 
"Others countries players weren't even motivated" >> you should be joking..

"No real competition" let me remind you that before beating their teamates, they should have eliminated the others shuttlers eh ?!...
 
Thom_bad said:
"Others countries players weren't even motivated" >> you should be joking..

"No real competition" let me remind you that before beating their teamates, they should have eliminated the others shuttlers eh ?!...
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I was not joking. That's the impression and conclusion after I read so many threads and posts on this forum for 8 years!
 
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