I am really not an expert but I decided to try many of different rackets and for what is sure T2 and Power Helix 8000 from Head suits me the best. I am also selling this one just because I have bunch of T2 at home . What I prefer is 285/83-86g racket. It depends which version of t2 are you looking for because it looks like things regarding how measurement are done did change if I understood Panda right. The best would be if you ask him directly for advice.
Thanks, I also read that he changed the measurement thing, but he was supposed to post, have you seen anything??? I would like to understand, or as you said, I will ask him directly what to order, with the numbers I understand.
things will be really confusing if measurement/balance method is different between different versions or racquets. this needs some clarification otherwise people won't know where they stand, especially if they have a spec they like, but don't know what it is in 'new money'.
I have ordered a T2 via Mark A, and like many people I have been very specific about the specs I want. I would not really want to spend £90+ on a racquet that is not the specs I asked for due variations in how specs are calculated. This would be very unfortunate for suppliers such as Mark A. I understand Mark A's consignment is in transit, so answers to these queries are required very quickly.
To make things easy as possible: The current version of the Trinity and future Trinities have and will have the same swing weight which is the actual weight of the racket, +/- 0.3g depending on the weight of the plastic wrapper on the grip. The only way to get the exact weight (within +/- 0.1g) is to remove the plastic wrapper which is not going to happen as the racket will no longer be new and incredibly labor intensive. There can be up to a 0.3g discrepancy because the weight of the plastic wrapper on the grip is anywhere from 0.8g to 1.2g. Most are around 0.9 to 1.0g. The only Trinities with the slightly modified swing weight are Version 2 which have a silver pin-stripe. Those rackets are no longer in production, have been all sold. These rackets have a swing weight of about 0.75g heavier than the actual weight. Why? This is because after extensive testing, we found the racket to swing a bit heavier than they actually were due to the different shaft (details below). There's nothing wrong with any of the versions of the Trinity. The only difference aside from the minor graphics changes is the internal shaft thickness. The V2 has a thinner, lighter, supposedly stronger shaft (and more expensive to produce). The rest, the T1 and all other T2s have the normal thicker, standard shaft. We went back to the original shaft because after extensive testing we could not tell a significant difference between the thinner and thicker shafts. Also the strength of the shafts were the same. To compare weights, just look at the swing weight and BP. Panda has tested (meaning actually played with) numerous Trinity rackets among the different versions and they are all comparable. If you are only dry swinging the racket, please do not comment until you have actually used the rackets extensively as dry swinging is not necessarily a good indicator. Conclusion: the current version of the Trinity is as close to the actual weight as possible (as was the T1, and other versions) only the Version 2 had a slight modification to the swing weight due to the lighter and thinner internal shaft which does not alter the performance. If you are looking for a specific weight and BP, it's what you are going to get with the current T2s so there's nothing to worry about. Thank you for your consideration.
Thanks for the explanation Dinkalot. Forgive if I am wrong but didn't the T2v2 (which you mention had the thinner and lighter shaft) not get somewhat more favourable reviews than the T1 and T2v1, could this not be due to the different shaft? So by now going back to the original shaft is this not a retograde step or were there other differences in the construction of the T1 and T2. The specs that I gave to Mark A were based on using a T2v2 (with the silver pin-stripe, which I love), so I am now a little worried. True I will not be able to make a proper comparison without having played with new T2 but by then I would have paid for it. So just clarify are you saying there will be no noticeable difference between how a T2v2 plays compared to current version of the T2 with the same spec? Thanks for your time in answering my queries.
1) Actually, the current version of the Trinity (V3) has received the most favorable reviews. So far, 20 of 21 repeat customers who have purchased multiple V1s, V2s and V3s prefer the V3. Of course there are others that may have not replied to Panda yet. About 10 of the 20 who prefer the V3 actually think the V3 performs better. Some said a little, some said a lot. The other half said they can't really tell a difference but just like the most current graphics and/or just like to know they have the most up-to-date racket. So honest. Again, Panda has not noticed a significant difference among the rackets. In fact, the string/string tension/grip make more of a difference than anything else which has been the overwhelming result (~90% of the time). From the Trinity 2v1 to the most current Trinity 2v3, Panda has tested over 50 rackets with over 150 string/string tension grip combinations. Over 90% of the time, the preferred rackets are with a thinner string at higher tension... ...two BCers just e-mailed Panda asking for very specific details about the Trinities he prefers. Panda currently has 12 x T2 and 1 x Squash Racket in his racket bag : 2 x T2v1 4 x T2v2 6 x T2v3 Favorites, these all play great: T2v3, 84.8g, BP290 with ZM62 at 28lbs., RK Ultimate Replacement Grip (available in August) T2v3, 83.0g, BP293 with ZM62 at 26lbs., RK Ultimate...just sold to customer who loved the string and grip combo T2v2, 85.0g, BP288 with ZM62 at 27lbs., RK Ultimate T2v1, 85.2g, BP288 with VS850 at 32lbs. RK Nano Replacement Grip Play Good: T2v3: 84.5g, BP290 with BG70Pro at 31lbs., RK Super Soft T2v2: 84.0g, BP291 with ZM70 at 31lbs., RK Nano T2v2, 85.5g, BP287 with VS850 at 29lbs., RK King Replacement Grip T2v1: 85.3g, BP288 with MP at 29lbs., RK King Play OK: T2v3: 84.8g, BP290 with NBG98 at 28lbs., RK Nano T2v2: 85.0g, BP287 with ZM67 at 26lbs., RK Nano Play Average or don't like: T2v3: 84.9g, BP290 with BG65 at 24lbs., RK Super Soft T2v3: 85.2g, BP288 with ZM67 at 24lbs., RK Super Soft See the trend? The rackets that play well for Panda are strung higher with thinner string (remember, ZM62 at 28lbs = ~BG65 at 32). The rackets that consistently do not play well for Panda are the lower tension ones. The proof is prior, the two rackets strung at 24lbs. were strung at 28 and 30lbs. respectively with ZM62 and MP respectively and they played well and would be among the favorites. Please note: it's not that medium or lower tension is not good for these rackets, it's what Panda prefers (a higher tension), which is around 28lbs. to 32lbs. depending on the string. 2) No one can guarantee from racket to racket there will be no differences. It could be identical rackets and one person can feel a difference while another can't. This is all relative. What we do is try our best to minimize the differences. That Panda can assure you.
Just FYI: Panda does not only rigorously test the rackets himself, he has multiple players from all levels from advanced beginners to top amateurs to top professionals. Also, the customers give lots of (usually) good feedback which are all taken into account. Great Endorsements That Cannot Be Officially Verified: The top professionals (have won many and/or participated in numerous open tournaments, multiple world championships, All Englands, and a few Olympics) who have tested the Panda Power rackets have all stated the Panda Power rackets were anywhere from "good" to "excellent" to "wow!" and they would have no reservations playing competitively with the Panda Power rackets if they were not sponsored. And because they are sponsored, they shall remain nameless. Bottom line: don't worry. And if you are worried, Panda suggests you try the racket first and see if you like it. There are no perfect rackets because we players are not perfect and what maybe perfect today may not be tomorrow. There are too many variables. The best we can do is try to minimize these variables and be consistent. Hey, that sounds like the formula to winning not just in badminton... ...but in life.
Panda, 12 T2's in your bag!? So, no room at the inn for any Ultra 2's or prototypes of Revelation or Genesis?
The Trinity-2 is finally arrived in Malaysia ..... and ready to be sold for Malaysia market as well as Indonesia market.
COuld we have clarification on the differences (both Physical & aesthetically) between the T2 v1,2,3? Pics would be great too.....
Panda's black Adidas Barricade 3-Compartment Bag is over 16" wide. It can fit quite a few rackets. In addition, Panda has a discontinued Kneissl Travel Bag with wheels that one person said, "...forget the kitchen sink, that bag can fit the kitchen itself!" that can carry about 100 rackets.
Hmmmmm, easiest way is: Pinstripe and non-pinstripe. Again, there's no difference in performance. So like Mr. Heart of Silence said a la Bobby McFerrin, don't worry be happy. Panda will do an chart of the differences, probably easier...
I wait for table....pref a table for the Ultra too..for history & reference purposes..this thread gets too long for new people to read through.
I personally had 2x t2v1 and 2x t2v2, and tried a few t2v3 from Panda. If exclude SW/BP/String/Tension, performance-wise, they are pretty much the same thing. Except colors from t2v1 vs t2v2/t2v3, v2/v3 always look better, and v3's flat cone feel so good. IMO, if anyone who think the new versions of t2 perform better, these might be the logical explanation.. New racket always perform better than the old racket if their spec are identical. Better looking racket always perform better than the other one if their spec are identical.
