I am quite a 'fast' server. By this I mean that there is very little pause between me addressing the shuttle, and me starting my serve. Some club members get used to this and anticipate my timing of serve. When I notice this I add a deliberate pause whilst addressing the shuttle - nothing extravagent, 4-6 seconds. During this pause, the reciver will often step/leap forward trying to attack my serve that hasn't started yet. Now, as far as I can understand it, this isn't a fault because I haven't started my serve. 1) Is this correct? 2) If I notice them 'charging' my serve before I have started any serve action, can I start my serve action to bring about a (receiver) fault? looking forward to your opinions and explanations.
imo, holding the shuttle and racket in the ready position (i'm interpreting this as addressing the shuttle) for more than 3 secs is too long
3 secs is too long . BWF should come out with a 'specific/measured' time. Currently, no one can say what is too short or too long. .
there is no way 3 secs can be too long from any of the rules. I think the exact phrase from whatever rule is 'undue delay'. http://www.worldbadminton.com/rules/#9 anyway, back on topic - does someone moving in anticipation of a serve before it has even started count as a fault? If I'm quick enough, does starting the serve whilst they are in motion induce a receiver fault?
Is someone moving in anticipation of a serve before it has even started; a fault? . Yes, the receiver moving in anticipation of a serve before it has even started will be counted as a fault. I posted these comments in another thread; .
if you watch tournaments and pros play, 3-4 secs max in the addressing position will be all you see 6 secs is too long, your opponents will not like your mind games if you're playing social/club games and if you're in tournament competition, the umpire will warn you of undue delay
chris, what does during service mean - I thought during service was from the start of the forward swing? edit: yes: Therefore the receiver moving feet before the service has started is not covered in the rules.
Laws of Badminton . Looks like you want to find a loophole in the Laws of Badminton. In plain language, the receiver is not allowed to move before the shuttlecock is being hit during the Service. .
Agreed but... the wording of the rules do not clearly state that. It says that the service starts at the first forward motion but also that the players are to have both feet touching the ground and that the server can't start the service until both players are ready. Based on that I would say there is no fault from either side, maybe the server would even get faulted as the receiver is clearly not ready if he's in motion....
It depends.... as usual when interpreting laws/rules. Usually in int. tournaments you'll see that reciever are declaring when they are ready. Or rather when *not* ready by holding up the non-racket hand. As soon as the hand goes down (s)he counts as "ready". In this case described by amleto I'd say if the reciever has taken position and let the hand fall that means "ready" state is declared and any movement of feet before serve is delivered (and started) is a fault. If recieving position hasn't been taken it is a fault to serve, but the reciever may also be warned (if umpired) for undue delay of play. Now the question is if the "pause" between "presenting" and "starting" made by amleto is to be considered a fault too? Less than 6s I wouldn't care (probably take 3-4s myself), but over 10s is definitly not ok IMO. that's my 0.02 SEK / mats
Agreed but as with many of the rules they aren't as detailed as they could be, mostly because many of the rules require some judgment by the umpire. This is true with the rules of most sports though.
to be clear, consider the receiver as ready, and then stepping/lunging forward in anticipation of serve. Please also take the time spent addressing shuttle as NOT undue. (My normal rhythm is 1-2s, so I only need to wait 4-5s total to drastically change it. ) The server can't be faulted for serving when receiver not ready, only a let may be called.
Your 1-2 secs addressing the shuttle is not fast at all. Fast would be practically less than 0.5 secs or almost instantaneous, ie the shuttle is hit the moment it is brought into the ready position.
The server can't be faulted for serving when receiver not ready . If I were the umpire, and; (1) When your receiver is not ready and you serve, I would call it a 'Let'. (2) When you serve again before your receiver is ready, I would call it a 'Fault' and show you a Yellow card. (3) When you serve again before your receiver is ready, I would show you a Red card and announce "Game and Match Over". Perhaps I am a strict umpire, but I would not allow your 'Gamesmanship' to gain control over your receiver. .
off track, but show me the rule where you can call a fault the server because the RECEIVER is not ready. and there is a big difference between intentionally serving when it's obvious the receiver isnt ready, and serving too early when you genuinely think the receiver is ready. Are you really going to yellow card if the latter happens twice? I'd be calling the tournament ref over if you did.
Gamesmanship is never good for 'Good/Fair' Badminton . I shall let others to reply. For me, I can only see 'Gamesmanship' being displayed in your posts thus far, instead of playing fair. Gamesmanship is never good for 'Good/Fair' Badminton; Therefore calling the tournament referee over could be the best solution. Another example: A pedestrian crossing the road when there was RED light for the pedestrian, and GREEN for cars. Would you run over the pedestrian with your car and then tell the laws makers that you were right and the pedestrian was wrong? .
ok, so you cant show me the rules, and you think I'm doing gamesmanship simply by changing my serve rhythm, but someone that keeps 'jumping the gun' on my serve with no consequence is perfectly ok? I'm only trying to acheive a good/fair game by stopping someone doing gamesmanship/cheating. Your stance beggars belief in all honesty.
