I expected this from you. If not what else can you say some more right? Btw, there are a lot of people actually waiting for your set of statistic since you sounded like an "expert" in this field. Expectations are high though!!
more complete statistics for 2011: Some added statistics: Collected data from the following 2011 BWF tournaments: Statistics taken from tournament/software following tournaments 2011 Code: RSL Cyprus International 2011 SANTO DOMINGO OPEN 2011 Yonex Badminton French Open 2011 Ethiopia Int 2011 Swiss International 2011 Syria International Series 2011 Yonex Denmark Open DJARUM SIRNAS REG. VIII SULAWESI OPEN 2011 XVI Pan Am Games, Guadalajara 2011 Turkiye Open 2011 Yonex Dutch Open 2011 Bulgarian International 2011 III Colombia Internacional 2011 Yonex Czech International 2011 Bankaltim Indonesia Open GP Gold 2011 XXVI Brazil International Badminton Cup 2011 YONEX Open Japan Yonex Belgian International 2011 Guatemala International Challenge 2011 Li Ning China Masters Kharkov International 2011 Yonex Chinese Taipei Open Zimbabwe Internationals 2011 Carebaco International 2011 Victor Slovak Open 2011 Namibia Internationals 2011 Yonex Sunrise Vietnam Grand Prix Open 2011 BWF WORLD SENIOR CHAMPIONSHIPS 2011 2011 Yonex Canada Open VICTOR INDONESIA INTERNATIONAL CHALLENGE 2011 2011 Yonex OCBC US Open Grand Prix Gold White Nights 2011 Russian Open Grand Prix 2011 Kenya International Series 2011 DJARUM Indonesia Open 2011 Counties Manukau International Mauritius International 2011 LI NING Singapore Open 2011 Li-Ning Sunlight Altona International Lithuanian International 2011 SCG Thailand Open Grand Prix Gold 2011 Maldives International Badminton Challenge 2011 2011 Double Star BWF Sudirman Cup Spanish Open 2011 International Open Morocco 2011 Slovenia International 2011 Fiji Open 2011 FZ Forza Denmark International 46 Portuguese International Championships Smiling Fish International Series 2011 YONEX-SUNRISE India Open Yonex Dutch International 2011 Badminton Asia Championships 2011 Badminton Asia Championships XVI PERU INTERNATIONAL 2011 BADMINTON CHAMPIONSHIPS Osaka International Challenge 2011 YONEX Australian Open Grand Prix Gold 2011 Croatian International 2011 Li-Ning New Zealand International Challenge 2011 Ciputra Hanoi Vietnam Challenge 2011 35th Yonex Polish International Championships 2011 XII Torneo Giraldilla 2011 Uganda International Series 2011 BANUINVEST INTERNATIONAL 2011 WILSON Swiss Open Grand Prix Gold 2011 YONEX All England Open YONEX German Open Grand Prix Gold 2011 Iran Fajr International Challenge 2011 VICTOR Korea Open Swedish International Stockholm 2011 PROTON Malaysia Open Yonex Estonian International 2011 [TABLE="class: cms_table_grid"] [TR] [TD]CHN-CHN[/TD] [TD]Matches[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Played to finish[/TD] [TD]76[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]WO or retire[/TD] [TD]15[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]% WOs per "buddy"-match[/TD] [TD]16,48%[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [TABLE="class: cms_table_grid"] [TR] [TD]CHN-OTHER NATION[/TD] [TD]Matches[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]WO given to opponents[/TD] [TD]19[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]WO from opponents[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Cheers, Twobeer
You know very well completing the data is very tedious work and time consuming. How about you do your part and contribute for other countries or do for China like limsy but for the year 2010? Let us have the privilege to be enlightened on your statistics expertise. Please share your gift with us.
Here's another thought, and I admit I don't know for 100% if I'm on the right track, but it kinda feels right... I would think that the record of W/O's become more pertinent for the period starting May 1, 2011 onwards. If we collate data and the percentage figures from say, May 1 to present, and then compare them to the same type of data for say the preceding 2 years, might that not give us an indication of: 1. Whether W/O are in fact significantly increased in the qualifying period 2. Whether countries that stand to gain by W/O from a strategic/tactical viewpoint have in fact been involved in W/O in disproportionate amount to other countries that have nothing to gain by this. Again, I'm not the expert here, so I won't comment on stuff like sample size and all that. But this is just a thought... Edit: and before anyone asks me, the answer is "NO!! I cannot help with the data! It's all Greek to me!! :crying:"
Actually, I am wondering why are we talking about sampling and sample size when limsy s analysis is not an effort to extrapolate and predict CHN s future walkover behaviour. In social science surveys or medical research, they survey sample sizes to project for the population, to save cost while achieving acceptable levels of accuracy. Then they make predictions based on various confidence levels. But in limsy s exercise, the population ( players ) is small and sampling is irrelevant because limsy is analyzing the actual population! By the way, I am no statistics expert; I barely passed my mandatory statistics for my psychology degree.
We have a schrink pple. Aha who is mentally unstable reading this? Can wr recommend lyb as candidate. Must wrap him up like hannibal. Lol
It's a good thing no one thought of quoting Disraeli to limsy --- he'd have thrown up and run away by now!!
Huh? Limsy s a psychology major. There are many types of psychology specialty nowadays. Didn t you see the latest type in the James Bond spoof, " Johnny English Reborn"? LYB would have made a brilliant psychologist, the way he manages his team s behaviour. William Shakespeare s probably the ultimate born psychologist, the way he had observed and dramatized human behaviour.
me too barely passed my statistic and research methods anyway,i wont argue or explain since auntie pj already tried to explain and people tend to ignore something they dont want to believe/see or only focus on something they want to believe/see why i should runaway when i done nothing wrong? even lin dan bravely show up,get boo-ed and eventually win the match because wanted to save face
I hope BWF refers to this thread though.. So many useful statistics for their reference in case they are still sleeping or acting like nothing serious happens..
posted on the other thread on a similar subject; It’s scientifically proven that the importance of continuity in all competitive sports, particularly racket sports such as badminton. For the 5 days badminton tournament with a break within is equivalent to give away 5-10 points per game to your next opponent after the break. Although there is no official statement as why China’s head coach risking to violate the rules laid down by the BWF, as the rules are not allow players to give unfair advantage i.e. a 10 points handicap, the underlined motives are fairly obvious for the badminton world. It’s hard to deny that for most major tournaments China won most if not all the titles, Thomas Cup, Sudirman Cup, World Championship, Asian Games and All England just to name a few . China’s head coach is under constant pressure from other associations/coaches to ease down a bit and let them have a minor part of it. Thus occasionally China withdrawn the whole team from a tournament or individual matches between team mates to create a ‘false’ level playing field for the others. This is also a good training ground for the younger members of the team as well. Knowing that you’re giving away 5-10 points to your opponents and still won by a good margin, particularly to the ‘world No 1’ must do your confident no harm. So, unless the others catch up to the standard set by the best team of the world real soon as the Korean doubles do, China’s head coach will always have to strike the balance between to please the badminton world and to cross swords with BWF for the good of badminton. Just my two pennies.
. I think you missed the point of this thread. We are hoping to watch good matches between highly-skilled Chinese teammates against each other in tournaments outside China. We want to watch good matches. If CHN players were to give walkovers to non-CHN players of lower-skills, we won't mind. Why? Because these matches would be one-sided matches and not as interesting. .
The point is Li Yongbo is not interested for teammates fight it out against each other, 'internal war' as he called it. Firstly, he doesn't need to know how well they play against each other. Important matter is how well they play against the 'others'. Secondly, what is the point? No net gain in terms of ranking points or prize monies. Thirdly, teammates bound to know each other’s game better and more importantly the weakness as well. Do you really want to show that to your opponents, unnecessary? Btw, there is no 'walkover' or 'retried' from CHN as the OP's title suggested. They call it 'abstain', both points and prize monies. Of course you only abstain/surrender to your friends, why do you want to do that to your opponents? So, all these number of 'walkover' etc. are just waste of time. Just remember Li Yongbo is not here to entertain but win, win and win.
. This is the difference between what we BCers like and dislike. (1) Some of us BCers like to watch/follow good matches and dislike walkover/no match/retired. (2) Some of us BCers like to have the country they are supporting to win, no matter whether match-fixing is involved or not. I am in category (1). Just like to watch good matches. Not really interested in which country wins. .
I am same as you, in category 1 but with interest if MAS players are involved. You have no interest because at the moment there are no AUS players in the top category. Perhaps in the future and we awaits that day.
I think I'm between 1 and 2. I would be lying if I said I don't who wins, naturally I support the country i was born (indonesia) and the ethnical background (Chinese) I have. But not to a point where I let myself blindly suppony no matter what. This WOs tactic by CHN team just simply disgusting, I can't stand it. I'm sure there are many if not most CHN followers feel the same way. But the fact that they kept winning and LYB is strongly in power, have made them closed one eye. The rest of course are still in denial.
Good imports will do the trick. Like Tony Gunawan. Maybe we should be calling Hendra Setiawan these days.
Don't think it will be long long lah. Chris is doing a good job in training up potential LDs (minus the circus act attitude) apart from actively involved in BC.
