To reply to the above post about who is the more suitable partner for Lee Yong Dae. So is it Jung Jae Sung or Yoo Yeon Seong. I would say Jung Jae Sung. To be honest and frank, Lee Yong Dae has been an over rated player all this while. Last time while partnering Jung Jae Sung, he is being said as a very good player. The fact is Jung Jae Sung is the better player as he did most of the job at the court. He covers the net well and also can attack very well. They are able to win due to Jung Jae Sung good play. Okay now back to Yoo Yeon Seong. He is also a much better player compared to Lee Yong Dae. Of course the weak link is once again Lee Yong Dae but then all this while he has really been over rated. Whenever they win, Lee Yong Dae will get all the praise. To be honest, I will evaluate the performance based on today match. Okay Lee Yong Dae made so may service errors. Uncountable. Lee Yong Dae moved his leg while serving. How could this be? And most of his service today is either poor or faulted. So the thing is now Lee Yong Dae has to go back to the basic and learn how to serve. Lee Yong Dae is also very nervous throughout the whole game making mistakes and errors non stop. On the other hand the Chinese players are very good. They try their best to keep Lee Yong Dae at the back of the court and it works. This is because Lee Yong Dae smashes have no power and weak. Even Yoo Yeon Seong smashes are better. Lee Yong Dae didn't play well at all today to be honest. He made so many simple mistakes. Then if his opponent wanted to win in the match all they need to do is to just keep hitting the shuttlecock to Lee Yong Dae and they will win many points. Then Yoo Yeon Seong also tried to delay the game and waste a lot of time hence they are given yellow card. This is not the first time, they have been doing this for too many times and the obvious one would be during the recent Taiwan open and WC where Yoo Yeon Seong tried to challenge for service fault. Last year, both of them manage to coordinate well and play very well. They love to play a fast flat attacking play. However, their style of play has been monotonous. It so the same style and same way of playing for every game. Hence it will not be so easy for them to win now. All their opponents have already studied their game plan and have already come out with a game plan to win over them. Both of them tried to change their game plan before but it just didn't work out. What happened when both changed their game plan was both got confused, muddled up and hence they couldn't win. Well to be frank till now I can already tell about how they play here because I have already memorized and know their game plan so well but of course I wouldn't write it down here as it would be too lengthy. Well as a conclusion I would like to say that the question here should not be who should be a more suitable partner for Lee Yong Dae. The answer is not Jung Jae Sung or Yoo Yeon Seong. The answer is Lee Yong Dae himself. If Lee Yong Dae himself doesn't show any improvement there is no way for him to win in any tournaments. However, today case is an exceptional case because Zhang Nan is injured hence they won. The best example here would be his ex partner Ko Sung Hyun. Last time when Lee Yong Dae partner Ko Sung Hyun, Ko will get all the blame whenever they lose. So pity. It would be said in such a manner, Ko cannot play, Ko service is weak, Ko is poor in defense, Ko is weak in almost everything. But now look at Ko after he partner Shin Baek Choel. He has improved a lot and everytime whenever Lee / Yoo play vs. Ko / Shin it is always Ko / Shin that wins. Now even Yoo Yeon Seong needs to cover up for all the mistakes made by Lee Yong Dae in tournaments and it is definitely not easy for Yoo. I also respect Yoo Yeon Seong because being a small build person he can really do good, hard smashes from the back much better then Lee Yong Dae of course. I hope what I have written here has already answered all the questions asked above.
If you really think JJS was the better player in that combination, you watched a different pair than I did. He was on the same level, but saying he was doing most of the job and that made him the better player is just not correct. Playing many shots isnt hard - it's playing the crucial ones that give you the point. He was most definitely a great player though, and I wouldve been happy if they had won a Silver in the Olympics because they were - in my eyes - more deserving of it than the Danes. I really miss those LYD/JJS vs CY/FHF clashes.
I keep hearing or seeing comments like this and would just love to know what you guys are looking for. He plays professional badminton so he is an elite player, he burst on to the scene and has won an olympic gold in mixed and many title MD so is a doubles specialist. Whoever partners him in MD they go to no 1 in the world ranking and stay there for long periods(not just luck). So basically he is one of the best if not the best in the world. what are you guys looking for exactly???? Not everyone is lucky enough to get multiple world and olympic title just the way the cookie crumbles on the day but LYD is at the top of world badminton and that is all we have to go on. Unless your watching badminton on mars or something and they play it way better there, If so I apologise.
The star player of the two is surely YYS. He has a powerful smash from the back, excels in fast flat play in midcourt, and is deadly at the front. In other words, an all around player... like ZN. Only thing that LYD has over him is defensive counterattacking blocks. Whereas LYD, his smashes from the back... there is something wrong with them over the past year. He tries hard, even with the requisite exertional "ooof", but it gets returned easily and repeatedly. Even some female WD players can smash harder, like Ashwini, Ayaka Takahashi, and ZYL. And there's no variation, always same predictable speed and height... no fake smash drops like JJS and YYS. I hope LYD can sort this out soon before Rio... otherwise it'll be like playing XD against MD opponents.
Woah, woah, woah. Let's calm down a bit. I know his smashes have been a bit weak recently, but still his smashes are still faster than a WD player.
Oh yeah definitely YYS is the star player, Olympic gold medalist, number one with several players, whoever he plays with becomes number 1 when they wern't before.... oh wait sorry I got confused that's LYD. Seriously though, YYS is playing great and has all the things you say but he is not a playmaker, he seems a bit dumb for lack of a better word in certain scenarios, as long as the opponents are not winning off LYD smashes and LYD can keep stamina to last the match there is no real problem with his smash, being able to turn nothing into something(counter attack) is a major thing in the ever so tight men's doubles these days. To me YYS can be very conservative with net "kills" and seems to be very reactive in drive situations rather than taking control like LYD and ZN since you mentioned him. All that aside at the end of the day LYD earned his status YYS not so much. But you never know maybe LYD is on his way out, YYS may start to partner other players give them confidence and bring them on like LYD has been doing for Korea for many years. I don't actually remember but even JJS what did he achieve before LYD?
In all pairings it's about the partnership and how they work for each other to get the best out of each other. No one person makes the partnership, but as a LYD fan, it is clear to me that LYD's form has dropped since JJS retired. That's not to say he is awful and has become an amateur but compared to a 2009-11 LYD he is not quite as sharp, solid and creative. LYD's main attribute imo (aside from being a fantastic front court player) is the fact that he is a very consistent player, rarely makes unforced errors, especially in the forecourt area. But may be because his form has dropped, he is having to play safer shots to keep the percentage of unforced errors down. Not sure why his smash has deteriorated (injury perhaps?) but he really needs to work on this but not necessarily on the power side, but placement. Gillian Clarke always talks about varying the pace, but this is only really effective if you already have a good smash. This is why JJS and YYS's disguised drops are so good. I think LYD should still vary the pace of his smash though to conserve energy but his placement seriously needs work. I wouldn't single out YYS as a star player as such. He is an extremely good player but he can only be his best if his partner creates opportunities that play to his strengths. YYS's smash isn't quite as powerful as JJS's but his variation in placement of the smash is pretty effective. I think YYS has been unfortunate not to have a top partner previously otherwise he could well have been up there with LYD/JJS.
He did Ko, and they were well up there at no2, but they could never beat the danes bo/mo or cai/fu. LYD coincidentally took both of those players to number 1.
True, but neither KSH or YYS are forecourt players. YYS is arguably better of the two at the net but he is far from comfortable or as effective as LYD. Which is why when YYS/KSH played against LYD/JJS (or any other top 10 pair) they often struggled. Equally it's like having two LYDs - it'd never work. It's about having the right partnership that works for each other. KSH and LYD were indeed no.1 but it was never really sustainable, they never really gelled and others would eventually start exposing the holes - which I think they did just before the split.
YYS/KSH actually were even with LYD/JJS looked it up the were 4-4 in matches although Ko always has done and does a lot better against folk he trains with rather than folk from other countries of the same level. Not forecourt players, not really buying that, they are world class doubles players just maybe not quite on the level of magic as a very very few at the front. I woud like to see two LYD's I don't think points would end too quickly but I think you would see some epic matches. At the end of the day you can have a production line of great players coming through that are really good but never quite get there, to the very top, that takes magic like LYD possesses even if you don't find it too pleasing to watch and think he ain't all that or whatever. He Still does just look at their ranking in MD which is an insanely tough category. leejunlong what scale? the scale we use in badminton is the ranking scale and LYD is very much at the top. Unless you are suggesting Yoo has all of a sudden became so much better than all other MD players in the world that he can carry LYD to still hold this position.
I miss the "JJS&LYD vs FHF&CY"-time as well. Hard smashers, excellent net court players. Even though their gameplay is as obvious as the flat game from these days, it's more pleasing and entertaining. It's easier to watch / follow while a fast flat game is rather quickly finished and not that fun to watch. It's also more fun to watch a men's doubles-team which has two totally different players. One for the outstanding short net shots and one for the ultimate smashes from the back court! And what I missed most is the ultimate final battle between these two pairs at the Olympics 2012. Unfortunately the koreans couldn't show their true strentgh against the danes in the semifinal...
I think that's part of it. But both Korean pairs were always more content to let rallies develop than were, say, Boe/Mogensen. When the Koreans played each other, fewer rallies would be over in 3-5 shots and there would be plenty of smashing. Ko/Yoo also had a huge edge over Koo/Tan. It was the pairs who forced them to change their style that they had trouble with.
Yeah that is right I think that is both ko and yoo's downfall both technically great but with a lack of in game vision. Why I would say LYD is more of an asset.
Agree. Uncanny game vision and crazy defence is what LYD has that is rarely seen in other players. Except for ZN, who also has those same characteristics... and is able to smash effectively.
Okay so will Lee Yong Dae / Yoo Yeon Seong be able to win he gold medals in the victor Korea Open this time. I think both has a bright chance here after winning the gold medal in Japan Open Super Series last week.
I am pretty sure that ZN/FHF will win comfortably vs. Kim/Kim. LYD/YYS also win defeat the Danes today.
