what is a flick smash?

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  1. Ballschubser

    Ballschubser Regular Member

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    He seems to stop playing internationally after 2014. Take a look at his archievements:
    • 2014 Pilot Pen Open - Finalist
    • 2013 Youth International - Semi-finalist
    • 2013 Singapore Age-Group Doubles - Champion
    • 2013 Singapore National Age Group - Semi-finalist
    • 2012 Walikota Surabaya Cup - Semi-finalist
    He even played vs SYQ and won vs Anders Antonson, both ranked in the top 10 nowadays.

    If this is amateur level, I would like to be at this kind of amateuer level too !
     
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    There are three types of smash :
    1.Flick/Stick smash which you use only power from the arm to perform. This is a quick smash , but not powerful. They use it when they see the open space.
    2.Half smash you perform a body rotation and everything but you only smash with 70-80% of your power which will give you the benefit or getting back into ready position faster than the full smash. People who use half smash will aim to the body or hard spot of the receiver to create a short lift or weak return.
    3.Full smash people use it to kill the shot. They smash with their full power , but it is harder to recovery in time.
     
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    I think we established that it's a stick smash (stick not flick), and "flick" was a mistranslation on his part that he did on the spot trying to go from mandarin(Dian za) to English. No benefit to maintaining that mistranslation of his.

    Good descriptions though.
     
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    Not accurate. In China, many coaches will teach dian sa (placement smash) as flicking the wrist. You flick your wrist to smash and then your wrist bounces back (I don't know how else to describe it). In this sense, the translation makes sense. The literal translation for dian sa is placement smash.

    Also, in Mandarin there is no distinction between half smash or stick smash or whatever you want to call it. If it's not a heavy smash or slice smash, then it's called dian sa.
     
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    those are different things. (See obito's post #22 in this thread).

    But ok so, a dian sa(literally placement smash), can be anything that's not a heavy smash or slice smash, so could refer to a half smash or could be a stick smash.

    forearm rotation so for example in the first minute of this (unfortunately titled) video this badmintonfamily guy explains that that movement is not using wrist it's using the forearm, and that it's a misconception that it's using the wrist. www.youtube.com(slash)watch?v=WmDl_048fDk Upper arm rotation too.. Causing the wrist to turn.

    Dian sa aside, since it's ambiguous..(as it could be a stick smash, or it could be a half smash)

    For a stick smash you'd definitely do the forearm rotation with that whip like move letting the racket 'bounce back'

    For a half smash or full smash i'm not sure if when you do the forearm rotation you'd also do it in a whip like move letting the racket 'bounce back'? Though no doubt there's a follow through. But maybe still the whip like hitting action?
     
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    If you watch power smashes in really slow motion video, you'll see a brief whip-like rebound just after the point of contact. But that's not necessarily perceptible to the player, and it's questionable as a coaching point (depending on the player). Generally I would recommend players don't focus on this, because it will likely make them "hold back" and focus too much on the forearm, rather than following through and using their full power.

    With a clip (stick) smash, the rebound action is very pronounced and the follow-through is limited and on the same side of the body. This shot should feel very different from a power smash. The rebound action is an important coaching point, and this can also be a useful way to learn about forearm rotation for other overheads (like the power smash), if the player is not using the forearm effectively. This shot can be particularly good for hitting steeply into an open space, and hitting from a less-prepared position.

    With a half smash, you're just hitting a normal (power) smash but with much less power. It can feel like a "nothing" shot, almost like a bad smash! The main point is to understand why you're using it: it can pressure your opponent's agility, and give them an awkward shot that is landing outside their immediate reach. It could also be thought of as a very fast drop shot.

    With both clip and half smashes, placement and steepness are very important. A weak, flat smash is an opportunity for your opponents to counter-attack.
     
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    Just saw an interesting rally (@8:41) with really good attacking variety. Watch the players in red. In order, the shots after are:
    1. Cross-court clip smash
    2. Power smash (not from ideal position, but still a full hitting action, notice the effect on balance)
    3. Straight clip smash
    4. Attacking cross drive (like a low smash from the front of the court, big follow through)
    5. Straight slice smash directed at the feet of the defender (wins the rally)
    Notice how the power smash comes to the defender, but the clip and slice smashes make them reach more for the shuttle, or even stoop uncomfortably.

    This kind of attack is clever. It's relatively "safe", keeping the shuttle going down even when you are in less-than-ideal positions. It gives you a little more time to recover, partly because your shots are slower but mainly because it's difficult for the defenders to counter fast and flat. It is also almost impossible for the defenders to lift high. They are placed in a tough tactical situation that also pressures their agility, rather than just sitting back and soaking up pressure.
     
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