what is a flick smash?

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  1. ralphz

    ralphz Regular Member

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    what is a flick smash?

    has anybody ever heard of the term?

    From what I understand, a full smash, power smash and half smash uses the whole body.

    A stick smash the elbow stays at almost the same point. So just uses forearm rotation, arm extension and upper arm rotation , and the elbow only moves from upper arm rotation.

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    It is described here at 4:50 www.youtube.com(slash)watch?v=B-HTD-feYRk

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    Yes, a stick smash is mostly done from the almost stretched arm using mostly arm rotation for power generation. It is not as powerful as real smash but it is really useful when you need to execute a quick smash/fast drop or when you are in a non optimal position for a smash.

    Here is a video about the stick smash:
     
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    did you not see the question, I asked what is a flick smash, (both in the title and in the first sentence).

    I do have a suspicion that when a person says flick smash, they mean stick smash, but i'm not sure.

    And yeah I know what a stick smash is. As I said/wrote.
     
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    Never heard of the term
     
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    Sorry, I never heard of it too and I thought that you talked about stick smash and that flick smash was just a typo.

    Have you some references, a video or blog entry, where the term flick smash is used ?
     
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    Here is a reference I found. It sounds a lot like a stick smash, maybe just a synonyme.
     
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    I just updated my post with a video where I heard the term..

    I see that link you mention is a blog written by the same guy. As the blog links to his facebook page "BG Badminton Academy".

    No idea where he got the term from then 'cos he may be the only guy on the internet using the term!
     
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    I managed to see the video.

    It's much more understandable when he said the Chinese word! I think it is written as 点杀 in Chinese.

    In English, it is called a clip smash or stick smash. Flick smash is a wrong translation.
     
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    Thanks. I don't speak Chinese but i'm curious where he said the word in Chinese? (I only heard him speaking English / speaking English words )
     
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    1.00 of the video when introducing number 3.

    He actually said it with an inaccurate pronunciation - "Dian za"
     
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    In Chinese, there is zhong sa, Dian sa, and chang sa. Heavy smash, placement smash, and long smash.
     
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    a) is that cantonese or mandarin?

    b) I once heard that smashes are meant to be to mid court. Is that not necessarily right? how long is a long smash?
     
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    Yes, smashes should be steep enough that they land mid court. A long smash would land towards the backline. It is useful as a variation so that your opponent does not get to used to steep smashes. For example, maybe your opponent is very good at diving and that is how he defends your smash. Well, the smash needs to be steep for you to dive, so he cannot dive and his defense with footwork may not be as good.
    Another scenario is when your opponent lifts cross court to your forehand side and you long smash straight to their backhand side. The long smash here makes sense because they have to turn their body a lot to get your smash, compared to normal steep smash. As a result, maybe you straight up win the point, or your follow up straight up wins the point because they do not recover as fast.
     
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    Edit: I watched the video. This guy is an amateur player. He makes a lot of good points, but there are some details that are ,in my opinion, wrong.
     
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    what level is amateur? county level? I guess most coaches are county level
     
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    Amateur as in not playing at a high level. In the US, basically all of the Indonesian coaches were on the national team, and the Chinese coaches were on provincial teams. I don't know what level is county but I would say in the US coaching level is significantly higher.
     
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    When I say most coaches, I mean like A country has X coaches. as in there are X coaches within a country.

    Most coaches do not coach national and international players..

    For most coaches i'd guess that the majority of the people they coach are club level and below..some with some provincial players.

    Most coaches do not play at national level.

    I don't know if most coaches have played at provincial level, I'd guess so?

    If they are on a provincial team would you describe that as amateur?

    or does amateur mean below provincial level.

    I'd guess that on average, a Chinese provincial team guy is a way better player than a UK provincial team guy? So not sure how you'd classify re amateur or not?

    Do you think the guy in that video would not be provincial level if he were in the UK?

    (In the UK I think provincial level is called county level)
     
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    That's just semantics. All I'm saying is this person is not very knowledgeable. He just has the basic knowledge.
     
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    He is ex-professional international player according to his profile.
     
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